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Having had a couple days to reflect I believe sitting Jones and the starters against the Eagles 2 weeks ago hurt them a lot more than it helped. This team needs to learn how to win and that was apparent watching Jones panic and lock on receivers for most of the evening.

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 23, 2023, 10:12:19 AMIt wasn't Jones' fault they lost the game but he didn't play well in a do or die game and he lost some luster. The after game look on Daboll's face and his immediate comments had reality written all over it.

For Jones it will take a village...

This was my trepidation with him two years ago. He's worked hard and Daboll has masked some of his shortcomings but I see a lot of Dak Prescott in DJ.

I don't see them mortgaging the future for his services.

I am not seeing Dak in DJ.  I will say, that I see a lot of Dak in Hurts.  Much like Dak(in the early part of his career), Hurts is enjoying the fruits of a near-perfect QB environment.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2023, 03:38:20 PMI am not seeing Dak in DJ.  I will say, that I see a lot of Dak in Hurts.  Much like Dak(in the early part of his career), Hurts is enjoying the fruits of a near-perfect QB environment.

Both mobile QB's
Both Choked in a Big Game.

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 23, 2023, 03:46:27 PMBoth mobile QB's
Both Choked in a Big Game.

I don't think I would agree with your assertion that Jones "choked".  I think instead of looking at PFF grades for one game, you should look at the INTs and the like ( @Jolly Blue Giant does a great breakdown in the Dak thread).  I really don't see any sort of similarities, especially as Jones had the best game of his career against the 13-4 Vikings in his first playoff game, while Dak FINALLY won a playoff game against a team with a losing record (8-9)

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2023, 06:10:29 PMI don't think I would agree with your assertion that Jones "choked".  I think instead of looking at PFF grades for one game, you should look at the INTs and the like ( @Jolly Blue Giant does a great breakdown in the Dak thread).  I really don't see any sort of similarities, especially as Jones had the best game of his career against the 13-4 Vikings in his first playoff game, while Dak FINALLY won a playoff game against a team with a losing record (8-9)

Says the hero's and Goats poster boy.

https://twitter.com/BobPapa_NFL/status/1617676416321212417

We were bottom 1/3 passing in yards, avg, yds/G, and TDs. Teams like the Steelers, Houston, detriot, Washington, Jets, etc beat us In those categories. Besides Jones being efficient which I'm sure that Daboll can make most others efficient what's the draw? What does Jones offer that we can't get from a Brissett, Tyrod, or placeholder? I genuinely would like to know because if Daboll/Kafka can do what we saw them do with Jones this season, aren't they the secret recipe and not Jones? Just because Daboll/Kafka worked a miracle now this kid is worth 40 million. I just want to know what the secret sauce is, what does Jones have that makes him worth 40 million because I don't see it.

Before the season @DaveBrown74 made an amazing point, Jones has a tendency to have 3 games a season were we are like wow he might be decent and then the rest of the games he's back to being ok. It literally happened again, Jones showed out for a dysfunctional Colts team, and a bad Vikings team and had everyone forgetting about the past 3 seasons. Just like the year before in the superdome against the saints.

I get some people love him and they are welcome to, but I just don't see it, instead I just think Daboll/Kafka did a masterclass on hiding flaws this season.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2023, 06:10:29 PMI don't think I would agree with your assertion that Jones "choked".  I think instead of looking at PFF grades for one game, you should look at the INTs and the like ( @Jolly Blue Giant does a great breakdown in the Dak thread).  I really don't see any sort of similarities, especially as Jones had the best game of his career against the 13-4 Vikings in his first playoff game, while Dak FINALLY won a playoff game against a team with a losing record (8-9)

I'm wondering if the Vikings defense is all time terrible though. I knew they were bad but after the performance against a talented group in Philly maybe the Giants and specifically those WRs weren't as great as they appeared in that game.

I do wonder why Jones didn't run more against Philly. Designed or otherwise. It was clear that anything else he was doing wasn't working.

Quote from: Gmo11 on January 23, 2023, 08:38:40 PMI'm wondering if the Vikings defense is all time terrible though. I knew they were bad but after the performance against a talented group in Philly maybe the Giants and specifically those WRs weren't as great as they appeared in that game.

I do wonder why Jones didn't run more against Philly. Designed or otherwise. It was clear that anything else he was doing wasn't working.

9 QB enjoyed 300+ passing yards against Minn, including K Murray, M White and M Jones.  Heck, the latter 2 put up 370 and 380 passing yards. Some fans absolutely viewed the Ind and 2x Minn games a vacuum. I doubt the Giants will...

Quote from: kingm56 on January 23, 2023, 08:52:35 PM9 QB enjoyed 300+ passing yards against Minn, including K Murray, M White and M Jones.  Heck, the latter 2 put up 370 and 380 passing yards. Some fans absolutely viewed the Ind and 2x Minn games a vacuum. I doubt the Giants will...

Reminds me of Gettleman looking at the film of the one game where Eli looked incredible after taking over after the 2016 season and declared that he had many years left in him.

Quote from: TDToomer on January 23, 2023, 09:07:15 PMReminds me of Gettleman looking at the film of the one game where Eli looked incredible after taking over after the 2016 season and declared that he had many years left in him.

Yep, it was the Phili game.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2023, 06:10:29 PMI don't think I would agree with your assertion that Jones "choked".  I think instead of looking at PFF grades for one game, you should look at the INTs and the like ( @Jolly Blue Giant does a great breakdown in the Dak thread).  I really don't see any sort of similarities, especially as Jones had the best game of his career against the 13-4 Vikings in his first playoff game, while Dak FINALLY won a playoff game against a team with a losing record (8-9)

Oh he most certainly did choke.

Just take a look at the interception and running out of bounds instead of throwing it away. He totally choked. Glad we saw it now. He deserves a nice contract and. A chance to be out guy. But it's not on HIS terms. That boat sailed.

I also heard a point today on the WFAN - apparently Jones has trouble winning more than 2 games in a row

Quote from: Trench on January 23, 2023, 09:49:32 PMI also heard a point today on the WFAN - apparently Jones has trouble winning more than 2 games in a row

They won 4 straight in week 4,5,6,and 7. But you keep trying to find all the negatives. But look at the bright side. You may be able to crap all over DJ for the next 3 or 4 years if JS and BD have their way.

Bill

Quote from: Billbrown on January 24, 2023, 05:23:23 AMThey won 4 straight in week 4,5,6,and 7. But you keep trying to find all the negatives. But look at the bright side. You may be able to crap all over DJ for the next 3 or 4 years if JS and BD have their way.

Bill

Bill,

I think it is safe to say Schoen and Daboll don't think Jones choked.  Otherwise they wouldn't have shared their desire to and intention to re-sign Jones.