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Great unexpected season.  Everybody now loves Jones.....even the Eagles

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Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 24, 2023, 02:44:52 PMI don't think that Jones has a pump fake or anything like that in his arsenal.

They have all offseason to work on it.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 24, 2023, 02:46:26 PMhttps://twitter.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1615016971963088899


https://twitter.com/AlexWilsonESM/status/1569063900116832256

Mighty,

I never like to embarrass or humiliate anyone, as I do think everyone deserves respect, but these two videos you posted could not have been more perfectly timed.

Nicely done!

Quote from: sxdxca38 on January 24, 2023, 03:31:16 PMMighty,

I never like to embarrass or humiliate anyone, as I do think everyone deserves respect, but these two videos you posted could not have been more perfectly timed.

Nicely done!

I certainly didn't post those examples with the intention of embarrassing Jess.   I intend to try to be fair and accurate in assessing players.

I am mindful that my opinion or assessment doesn't matter much.  In the end, the opinions and assessments that matter are Schoen's and Daboll's, and in a few weeks to a few months, we will find out, by their actions, if they think Jones is a franchise QB.  If they don't think Jones is a franchise QB, it would be a poor decision to direct millions of cap dollars to him, even if he is just a bridge QB.  They already have Tyrod Taylor if they want to go the bridge route.   

Very soon we will have the answer to the test question, so to speak.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on January 24, 2023, 03:31:16 PMMighty,

I never like to embarrass or humiliate anyone, as I do think everyone deserves respect, but these two videos you posted could not have been more perfectly timed.

Nicely done!

Not to state the obvious but if Jones had an arsenal of tools including a pump fake there wouldn't be discussions over him being retained. If he had all the tools he would be an elite Qb but he doesn't and isn't. While he might flash occasionally any time something isn't perfect he reverts right back to every single one of his bad habits and there are a lot which were on full display this weekend. So him pump faking it 2 times is great, but do you see him use it regularly I don't? I think a lot of that has to do with him not throwing beyond 10 yards regularly but we saw 2 videos so it has to be in his arsenal....

16th in passing yards

48th!!!!!! in yards per attempt (ok this number factors all passes thrown, but still)

28th in Completion % (see above)

21 in Passing TDs

5th in QB Rush TDs

4th in QB rushing yds

31 in QB Rating


He can run it, but as far as passing in concerned, he is average at best.

Quote from: TrueBlueFan on January 24, 2023, 04:20:16 PM16th in passing yards

48th!!!!!! in yards per attempt (ok this number factors all passes thrown, but still)

28th in Completion % (see above)

21 in Passing TDs

5th in QB Rush TDs

4th in QB rushing yds

31 in QB Rating


He can run it, but as far as passing in concerned, he is average at best.

was going through some of the scouting notes on him as a passer and one was spot on with his assessment in my opinion and this was about him coming out of college and I still think it is spot on.

"Inconsistent. Rhythm player too easily knocked off rhythm. Prone to questionable decision making in the pocket, including forcing throws into traffic and failing to prioritize ball security. Underdeveloped as a big play, clutch operator. Sub-optimal arm strength, although again it's more than adequate enough to make the full array of NFL throws. Can hold the ball in the pocket too long and has not yet developed instincts for the proper time to break the pocket and scramble. Picturesque overall mechanics can be severely compromised by pressure. Often plays blind to edge rushers and underneath zone defenders. Surprising amount of batted balls for a player of his size and experience".

From TD Scouting

After year 4 that's him in a nut shell from a con perspective though hes minimizedthe turnovers.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 24, 2023, 05:30:37 PMwas going through some of the scouting notes on him as a passer and one was spot on with his assessment in my opinion and this was about him coming out of college and I still think it is spot on.

"Inconsistent. Rhythm player too easily knocked off rhythm. Prone to questionable decision making in the pocket, including forcing throws into traffic and failing to prioritize ball security. Underdeveloped as a big play, clutch operator. Sub-optimal arm strength, although again it's more than adequate enough to make the full array of NFL throws. Can hold the ball in the pocket too long and has not yet developed instincts for the proper time to break the pocket and scramble. Picturesque overall mechanics can be severely compromised by pressure. Often plays blind to edge rushers and underneath zone defenders. Surprising amount of batted balls for a player of his size and experience".

From TD Scouting

After year 4 that's him in a nut shell from a con perspective though hes minimizedthe turnovers.

Wow!

Explaining why Daniel Jones' value is at least $35 million

Jordan Raanan

Jan 25, 2023
The New York Giants quarterback is a free agent and is about to get paid

Here are what the experts are saying DJ's contract will look like

QuoteThe Post asked six experts — current or former high-ranking league executives with contract experience, and NFL agents — to determine Jones' value in a market without a middle ground: There is not a multi-year quarterback contract with an average annual salary between $14 million and $29.5 million.

"Several months ago, an extension could've been in the Ryan Tannehill or Kirk Cousins range, and now it could be Dak Prescott or north of that," said former Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum, co-founder of The 33rd Team, a website that features NFL content. "He played exceptionally well and won a road playoff game. He's really earned a massive contract."

All six experts projected Jones' average annual salary will be between Tannehill's $29.5 million (adjusted for the salary-cap inflation since he signed that extension in 2020; a floor of about $33 million), and Prescott's $40 million. One executive projected the right compromise as a four-year deal averaging $30 million to $35 million — so $120 million to $140 million total, including $80 million to $90 million guaranteed.

One agent said his starting point for Jones' negotiation would be $35 million per year — or about the median cost for the Giants to place the salary-cap-restrictive franchise tag on the quarterback to keep him from free agency in 2023 ($32.4 million) and again in 2024 ($38.8 million) if a deal is not reached.

Another way to reach that number would be to negotiate off Jones outplaying Cousins — his "best comparison," a second executive said — in the Giants' playoff win at the Vikings.

more at the link

https://nypost.com/2023/01/26/why-daniel-jones-has-leverage-as-experts-predict-giants-contract/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=SocialFlow&sr_share=twitter&utm_source=NYPSportsTwitter

I'd tag him and make him prove it again next season.

Quote from: T200 on January 26, 2023, 02:08:51 PMI'd tag him and make him prove it again next season.

The article points out if they use the tag on DJ than the tag and leverage it provides can't be used on Barkley (which may or may not be an issue).

The way I look at it, the Giants already made one mistake not extending DJ his 5th-year option, which cost the team $10 million.  Who wouldn't be happy to have DJ returning for $23 million next season?   Tagging him would seem like a repeat of that mistake because if Jones has another good season, the cost to sign DJ will go up by 20% (what the cap rises for the second go-round).

Finally, the $33 million tag cost is 100% on this year's salary cap, leaving the team $9 million in cap surplus, which isn't all that much to try and close the talent gap with the division rivals (a stated goal of Schoen).

That all said, it the Giants can't work out a fair deal, the team may have no choice.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 26, 2023, 02:16:00 PMThe article points out if they use the tag on DJ than the tag and leverage it provides can't be used on Barkley (which may or may not be an issue).

The way I look at it, the Giants already made one mistake not extending DJ his 5th-year option, which cost the team $10 million.  Who wouldn't be happy to have DJ returning for $23 million next season?   Tagging him would seem like a repeat of that mistake because if Jones has another good season, the cost to sign DJ will go up by 20% (what the cap rises for the second go-round).

Finally, the $33 million tag cost is 100% on this year's salary cap, leaving the team $9 million in cap surplus, which isn't all that much to try and close the talent gap with the division rivals (a stated goal of Schoen).

That all said, it the Giants can't work out a fair deal, the team may have no choice.

That's going to be the pain point.

Quote from: T200 on January 26, 2023, 02:08:51 PMI'd tag him and make him prove it again next season.

If he does well do you think having been tagged, when there are teams willing to pay a lot more, will make him disinclined to sign with the Giants the following year?

Quote from: AZGiantFan on January 26, 2023, 03:02:57 PMIf he does well do you think having been tagged, when there are teams willing to pay a lot more, will make him disinclined to sign with the Giants the following year?

It's certainly a possibility. I think it would depend on the difference in what the Giants offer as well as his opportunity with the other team to make a genuine run at a championship. Or if he feels he has a better chance here, he could potentially take less and continue to chase a ring with the Giants.