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Quote from: Ed Vette on June 25, 2023, 08:34:27 AMEgo led to their destruction

Except for the kid. All reports from his family suggest that he went against his better judgment. His Dad was just determined.

Quote from: MightyGiants on June 25, 2023, 07:45:51 AMJoe,

The sub wasn't certified by any accepted entity.  Likely the unique nature of the construction precluded any chance of being certified.

Rich - I wonder then how it got insured because certification is mandatory.

I fully understand that James Cameron has significantly more knowledge on this whole subject than the average joe on the street, but I feel like the media is treating him like he's the foremost authority in the country on it, and he's lapping it up and appearing on any show that will have him.

Quote from: Philosophers on June 25, 2023, 09:50:18 AMRich - I wonder then how it got insured because certification is mandatory.

As I understand it, because the vessel was launched from a tender, it was treated as cargo (regulation-wise) rather than as a vessel in its own right

As a man of science, this meme made me chuckle

Quote from: MightyGiants on June 25, 2023, 12:56:21 PMAs I understand it, because the vessel was launched from a tender, it was treated as cargo (regulation-wise) rather than as a vessel in its own right

Rich - I asked my brother who is a Naval Architect and Marine Engineer.  He designs both military ships/subs and commercial.  He told me while the submersible is on its mother ship it is part of the ship's marine insurance policy however once it goes in the water it is no longer part of the mother ship and is now an independent vehicle and must have its own insurance.

Engineer says OceanGate CEO ignored her submersible warnings: 'Someone is going to be killed'

I assume OceanGate is done now as a company? Or will be? I mean who would ever sign up for one of these trips now?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on June 26, 2023, 03:14:56 PMI assume OceanGate is done now as a company? Or will be? I mean who would ever sign up for one of these trips now?

DOA!

Quote from: MightyGiants on June 26, 2023, 03:08:27 PMEngineer says OceanGate CEO ignored her submersible warnings: 'Someone is going to be killed'

Ego

This is a fascinating article on the topic.

https://www.designnews.com/industry/carbon-fiber-safe-submersibles-when-properly-applied

Quote from: Ed Vette on June 25, 2023, 08:34:27 AMEgo led to their destruction

It's downright Biblical.
Pro 16:18

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

@Ed Vette and @AZGiantFan

I think this seals the deal for your ego verdict


https://www.insider.com/submersible-expert-oceangate-ceo-hull-defect-will-only-get-worse-2023-6

I will say this whole tragedy really proved just how important regulations and regulators are.   As soon as the tragedy struck, I started researching.   When I first researched, I could find little to nothing that suggested that the submersible and the tours were risky (aside from my engineering knowledge, thinking mixing 3 materials as they did seemed like a bad idea).   

A couple of weeks after the tragedy, all the hidden information comes forward.  Information that, if widely known would have kept all sane people from taking the tour.   That is part of what regulation is about; it's about ensuring if people are taking risks, they are informed risks.  In this case, the victims were not informed about the reckless nature and behavior of the owner of this company.

So, in this case, it's sad about the owner paying the ultimate price for his hubris.  It's criminal that 3 innocent people were tricked into also paying the ultimate price of the owner's hubris

Quote from: MightyGiants on June 30, 2023, 08:34:23 AMI will say this whole tragedy really proved just how important regulations and regulators are.   As soon as the tragedy struck, I started researching.   When I first researched, I could find little to nothing that suggested that the submersible and the tours were risky (aside from my engineering knowledge, thinking mixing 3 materials as they did seemed like a bad idea).   

A couple of weeks after the tragedy, all the hidden information comes forward.  Information that, if widely known would have kept all sane people from taking the tour.   That is part of what regulation is about; it's about ensuring if people are taking risks, they are informed risks.  In this case, the victims were not informed about the reckless nature and behavior of the owner of this company.

So, in this case, it's sad about the owner paying the ultimate price for his hubris.  It's criminal that 3 innocent people were tricked into also paying the ultimate price of the owner's hubris

Re your last sentence, I have pondered whether or not the CEO would be facing criminal action in a hypothetical scenario where others in the sub had died and he had somehow been saved.