Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 18, 2023, 02:34:51 PMThe idea that a fifth year starting QB making $40mm a year needs to "learn from " a $5mm/yr journeyman veteran backup in the later stages of his career is mind-boggling.

Is anyone saying Jalen Hurts can benefit from leaning from Marcus Mariotta? Or that Brock Purdy would stand to benefit from learning from Sam Darnold?

Andy Dalton is going to turn Bryce Young into a stud

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 18, 2023, 02:34:51 PMThe idea that a fifth year starting QB making $40mm a year needs to "learn from " a $5mm/yr journeyman veteran backup in the later stages of his career is mind-boggling.

Is anyone saying Jalen Hurts can benefit from leaning from Marcus Mariotta? Or that Brock Purdy would stand to benefit from learning from Sam Darnold?

I agree with you. I would just add that if Jones has things to learn from Taylor, he would've picked them up over the last two training camps. He shouldn't be sitting on the bench making 40 million just learning how to do the fundamentals we expect a professional QB to do.

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 18, 2023, 10:54:36 AMYes, Tim. Tyrod was able to move the ball effectively. If the Oline was able to do their job, that audible would have and should have resulted in a TD. I actually fault Daboll for poor clock management near the end of that drive. If they had the time and just one more second, they win the game with two field goals.

Tyrod had just 6 starts in 2021 and none since. We saw the results of Jones not having a start in 9 months against Dallas in the season opener. Zero points. Both faced top-ten Defenses. Jones outside of that Cards game has scored 7.75 points on average including Defensive scoring.

   

Fact is the O line has not done there job all year...you can run the ball in that situation with 15 seconds left but not with 8 or 10 they had....there was no time to get set and stop the clock , in fact the line did not even realize that if the run play didn't work they had to line up quickly to stop the clock.
 A pass was the only play in that situation ....if not there throw it away and stop clock.

I just finished listening to Papa and Banks.  They pointed out with Jones the team averaged 11 points per game.   That dropped to 9 with Tyrod

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 18, 2023, 05:20:24 PMI just finished listening to Papa and Banks.  They pointed out with Jones the team averaged 11 points per game.   That dropped to 9 with Tyrod

You're really starting to reach with these

2 more points? Whoa 🤯

5 games vs 1 c'mon, I'd be more interested in what their offenses each average over their career starts

Better yet, what did the offense with DJ average this year outside those 2 quarters against Arizona?

Quote from: True Blue on October 18, 2023, 05:25:17 PMYou're really starting to reach with these

2 more points? Whoa 🤯

5 games vs 1 c'mon, I'd be more interested in what they each average over their career starts

Taylor has played in 86 games, with 11,086 yards and has 60 passing TDs and 19 Rushing TDs. Which averages out to be a 0.91 TDs a game

Jones has played in 59 games with 12,487 yards, 62 passing TDs and 13 Rushing TDS. This averages to be a TD every 1.27 TDs a game.

Granted Taylor has played a lot more games, but using the above figures, Jones, on his current career pace, would throw or run for 108 TDs over 86 games, which will broadly be 1.26 TDs a game.

So the question isn't about who is better, it's whether 0.36 TDs a game is worth the additional 35million and change that Jones earns. This 0.36 extra per game equates to 6.12 TDs a season.

Is it worth it?

Quote from: True Blue on October 18, 2023, 05:33:53 PMBetter yet, what did DJ average this year outside those 2 quarters against Arizona?

I did the Math

in 17 quarters outside of that second half in Arizona, the offense with Daniel Jones is averaging 1.64 points a quarter, which comes to 6.58 points a game

I did 17 QTRS, because I omitted the 4th quarter of the Miami game since he did not play it in full.

28 points scored in those quarters

28 divided by 17 -= 1.64


It isn't about DJ vs TT, but there is some math for those that may be curious since some want to keep making it TT vs DJ for some unknown reason.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on October 18, 2023, 05:39:38 PMTaylor has played in 86 games, with 11,086 yards and has 60 passing TDs and 19 Rushing TDs. Which averages out to be a 0.91 TDs a game

Jones has played in 59 games with 12,487 yards, 62 passing TDs and 13 Rushing TDS. This averages to be a TD every 1.27 TDs a game.

Granted Taylor has played a lot more games, but using the above figures, Jones, on his current career pace, would throw or run for 108 TDs over 86 games, which will broadly be 1.26 TDs a game.

So the question isn't about who is better, it's whether 0.36 TDs a game is worth the additional 35million and change that Jones earns. This 0.36 extra per game equates to 6.12 TDs a season.

Is it worth it?

Great work on this, thanks for sharing.

I will vote in the No column, but others may feel the extra third of a score is worth it, they are entitled to believe that.

Quote from: True Blue on October 18, 2023, 05:33:53 PMBetter yet, what did DJ average this year outside those 2 quarters against Arizona?

Outside of Arizona, he averages 0.00 points per game, with an average of 140.75 yards per game, with an average long pass of 21.25 yards, he averages 6.5 sacks per game - although take out the Seattle game and he averages 4.5 sacks per game (76.5 over a 17 game pace). 

Quote from: madbadger on October 17, 2023, 09:39:07 PMThat Taylor led offense led to zero touchdowns and two goal line failures. Tell me again how the offense looked better under Taylor than Jones.

That they were in a position to win.  Against a very good team.  On Primetime.  Jones would have been down 30-0 with 10 sacks.  Just going off this year.

Tyrod screwed up then the refs screwed up. I have more confidence in Tyrod getting the ball where it belongs.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 18, 2023, 05:20:24 PMI just finished listening to Papa and Banks.  They pointed out with Jones the team averaged 11 points per game.   That dropped to 9 with Tyrod

Your point is?...

Quote from: Trench on October 18, 2023, 06:57:57 PMYour point is?...

Idk what the point is, but it misses the point that this has never been a DJ vs TT thing.

Quote from: True Blue on October 18, 2023, 05:25:17 PMYou're really starting to reach with these

2 more points? Whoa 🤯

5 games vs 1 c'mon, I'd be more interested in what their offenses each average over their career starts

Quote from: True Blue on October 18, 2023, 05:25:17 PMYou're really starting to reach with these

2 more points? Whoa 🤯

5 games vs 1 c'mon, I'd be more interested in what their offenses each average over their career starts

Why do you dismiss certain facts?

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 19, 2023, 08:14:12 AMWhy do you dismiss certain facts?

Why do you do the same thing?