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Great trade assuming they draft a good player with the 2nd rounder. However, I am not sure the Giants will pick the correct player. That is based on picking Robison over Pickens in the 2nd.

Quote from: sooners56 on October 30, 2023, 04:26:22 PMGreat trade assuming they draft a good player with the 2nd rounder. However, I am not sure the Giants will pick the correct player. That is based on picking Robison over Pickens in the 2nd.

sooners: I don't see it that way. 

I see the Seattle 2nd-rounder as the price to trade up in the 1st round if they see a QB worth such the price.

IMO there aren't any pro-ready QB's this year. Do you see one? Asking because you watch a lot of college ball.

Bob

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on October 30, 2023, 03:46:35 PMYeah. After the Notre Dame & UTAH games I don't see how anyone could still consider Caleb Williams a #1 overall.


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No? I think he still is. I've seen too many "can't miss" QBs slip in the draft after their senior season wasn't the dominant performance everyone expected. Josh Allen is one. Marino is the most famous. 

C-dub should be on the Giants' list if they are looking for a QB. I wouldn't hold it against him that his most polished receiver is now catching passes for the Vikings and the whole PAC-12 (PAC-10?, PAC-8?, PAC-4?, whatever...) is playing with a chip on their shoulder this season.   

Quote from: Bob In PA on October 30, 2023, 04:10:04 PMAndrew: That guy has so far been the biggest disappointment to the vast majority of collegiate people. Bob

The more and more i hear and see about him, im not interested. if he falls to the second (will never happen) i'd take him. but i want an absolute GAMER with our 1st pick. someone whos shown consistent excellence against the toughest competition. i dont follow college football all that closely, so dont ask me who that is.

If you can't succeed..you admit it and move on. More trades should be happening for this regime. Jackson and McKinney are likely next. Mara loves Barkley..so little chance he goes.

Quote from: sooners56 on October 30, 2023, 04:26:22 PMGreat trade assuming they draft a good player with the 2nd rounder.

I respectfully disagree with this statement:

(1) No matter whom they take with this pick, they were not re-signing Williams either way. So the choice (after the end of the 2023 season) was something versus nothing, and they chose something. "Something" is always better than "nothing."

(2) They may use this pick as part of another trade in the future.

(3) Even if they do select a player with this pick who ends up not working out, that doesn't mean the trade they did today was a bad trade in my opinion. Today was about what value they extracted for Williams. What they ultimately do with that value is a separate evaluation.

Quote from: Bob In PA on October 30, 2023, 04:35:42 PMsooners: I don't see it that way. 

I see the Seattle 2nd-rounder as the price to tade up in the 1st round if they see a QB worth such the price.

IMO there aren't any pro-ready QB's this year. Do you see one? Asking because you watch a lot of college ball.

Bob

I am not a fan of Caleb Williams. I have seen a lot of his games. I live in Los Angeles. I would take Maye over Williams. The most pro ready IMO is also the most injured Michael Penix Jr, his age bothers me too, but not as much as the injuries. I am keeping my eye out for J.J. McCarthy and Quinn Ewers

Quote from: brownelvis54 on October 30, 2023, 05:10:59 PMI am not a fan of Caleb Williams. I have seen a lot of his games. I live in Los Angeles. I would take Maye over Williams. The most pro ready IMO is also the most injured Michael Penix Jr, his age bothers me too, but not as much as the injuries. I am keeping my eye out for J.J. McCarthy and Quinn Ewers

Interesting perspective. What do you not like about Williams?

Quote from: Bob In PA on October 30, 2023, 04:35:42 PMsooners: I don't see it that way. 

I see the Seattle 2nd-rounder as the price to tade up in the 1st round if they see a QB worth such the price.

IMO there aren't any pro-ready QB's this year. Do you see one? Asking because you watch a lot of college ball.

Bob

If they do use the 2nd they acquired and move up to draft the QB of the future that would also make it a great trade.

To answer your question...

There is a pro ready QB and his name is Caleb Williams. As a Sooners fan, it pained me to see him pack his bags with Lincoln Riley and head to sunny skies and sandy beaches. Make no mistake Williams is NFL ready. Even with his last few games being stinkers. He can make all the throws and has WOW plays throughout his collegiate career. Closest thing to Patrick Mahomes. He buys times with moving in pocket and scrambling all while
Looking to throw. He can make any throw and looks at ease doing it while on the move.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 30, 2023, 05:03:37 PMI respectfully disagree with this statement:

(1) No matter whom they take with this pick, they were not re-signing Williams either way. So the choice (after the end of the 2023 season) was something versus nothing, and they chose something. "Something" is always better than "nothing."

(2) They may use this pick as part of another trade in the future.

(3) Even if they do select a player with this pick who ends up not working out, that doesn't mean the trade they did today was a bad trade in my opinion. Today was about what value they extracted for Williams. What they ultimately do with that value is a separate evaluation.

Your points are valid and I agree with what you wrote. In my post you replied to, I just didn't type my full thoughts on it.

An A for the Giants, and an A- for Seattle per WalterFootball:


https://walterfootball.com/nfltrades.php

I always like to peruse the counterparty's fan board after a trade. Here is how Seattle fans are reacting to this:

https://www.seahawks.net/threads/trade-alert-leonard-williams-to-the-seahawks.191380/


I would say there is a mix of excitement and also question marks as to how much they gave up and how much of a long term option Williams is at this point.

Quote from: Philosophers on October 30, 2023, 04:18:15 PMNow trade DJ to the Vikings to help with the Cousins injury.  Give him a better OL and we get more draft picks to build around a QB drafted next year.  We pick up a QB for rest of year.

They can't trade DJ because the acceleration of his signing bonus would put them 10s of millions over the CAP.

The other reason I heard the Giants wanted to move some players other than reduction in total salary was that they did not have a full contingent of draft picks for 2024 so wanted to bolster.  I have not checked it, but if true, it makes sense.  A team failing as badly as the Giants needs draft capital.

https://x.com/mlombardinfl/status/1719110586783416640?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ