Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: JT39 on November 12, 2023, 09:47:03 PMNo they don't. The Texans have good OL, backups or not, and WRs who make plays.

With all this talent, why were they the NFLs worst team over the last 3 years?  You do realize they were 11-38-1, right? 

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 13, 2023, 08:11:36 PMThat would involve objective, fair-minded analysis that doesn't aim to suit any underlying, predetermined narrative though.

Are the backups playing poorly? It doesn't matter who plays, it matters how the play, right?

Quote from: kingm56 on November 13, 2023, 08:26:36 PMWith all this talent, why were they the NFLs worst team over the last 3 years?  You do realize they were 11-38-1, right? 

Coaching matters. Their OC is a shanahan disciple and it really aggressive.

Listen I am not saying stroud hasn't played very well, but there's a lot of parts in thst equation that work and the drafting of Dell and pick of Schultz have been very helpful.

The QB is 90 percent of the equation.

Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on November 13, 2023, 08:45:53 PMThe QB is 90 percent of the equation.

No it's not.

It's a big part. Coaching, blocking, getting open and health are major factors as well.

That's fine if you think that. I think it agenda-driven willful ignorance. But I'm done talking about it.

Quote from: JT39 on November 13, 2023, 08:49:50 PMNo it's not.

It's a big part. Coaching, blocking, getting open and health are major factors as well.

Yeah. CJ Stroud is so lucky to be surrounded by great players and coaches. He just lucked into a great situation. It's amazing how average and below average players magically became good players once CJ Stroud took over at QB. <sarcasm>

https://twitter.com/JoeGoodberry/status/1724175511645999191?t=lapJPA5BmKK4qRSRfWf2tg&s=19

Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on November 13, 2023, 08:57:42 PMThat's fine if you think that. I think it agenda-driven willful ignorance. But I'm done talking about it.

What agenda? Yours or mine.

Are yo7 say8ng jalen hurts was 90% of the equation for the eagles last year?

Quote from: JT39 on November 13, 2023, 08:49:50 PMNo it's not.

It's a big part. Coaching, blocking, getting open and health are major factors as well.

Coaching is overinflated by fans; fundamentally, and most importantly, it's about talent.

If coaching is as important as you  profess, and Bill Belichick is all time great coach, why is he 82-98 without Tom Brady? Why did another HoF coach retire after one loosing season without Drew Brees?  How did Josh MacDaniel and Adam Case set NFL scoring records with Brady and Manning and we're both fired 2x without them.  I could go on and on; the objective data all suggest the same...in the modern NFL, it's about the QB.

Btw, I would enjoy hearing your perspective concerning Bill B conundrum.  If he's a great coach, and coaching is so important, why is he well below average without the greatest QB of all-time?  Both cannot be true...

Thankful for the ignore list feature. Very helpful.

Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on November 13, 2023, 09:27:41 PMThankful for the ignore list feature. Very helpful.

Agreed

Quote from: kingm56 on November 13, 2023, 09:26:55 PMCoaching is overinflated by fans; fundamentally, and most importantly, it's about talent.

If coaching is as important as you  profess, and Bill Belichick is all time great coach, why is he 82-98 without Tom Brady? Why did another HoF coach retire after one loosing season without Drew Brees?  How did Josh MacDaniel and Adam Case set NFL scoring records with Brady and Manning and we're both fired 2x without them.  I could go on and on; the objective data all suggest the same...in the modern NFL, it's about the QB.

Btw, I would enjoy hearing your perspective concerning Bill B conundrum.  If he's a great coach, and coaching is so important, why is he well below average without the greatest QB of all-time?  Both cannot be true...

Coaching is a part. There are many parts to a great team. QB is a big part. Coaching is too. And I agree with you about talent- I've been stressing that all year.

BB hasn't done a good job drafting offensive talent. You're right he has no QB since Brady but his WR and TEs are average and below average as well.

However let me illustrate this point about it all being about the QB. All the great QBs seems to have amazing WRs. Well let's look at how some of the best QBs improved once they got their guy.

Hurts once he got AJ brown took a huge step
Tia looks amazing the last two years... hello Tyreek Hill
Allen got Diggs
Burrow got chase
Cousins got Jefferson
Dak and Lamb are pretty darn good
Purdy has about 4 legit number 1 WR options
I mean even Brady got a boost in TB with Evans

I won't include Mahomes cause he's just amazing. And he wins with anything.

The QB is a big piece. But he's not 90%.

Quote from: JT39 on November 13, 2023, 09:35:48 PMThe QB is a big piece. But he's not 90%.

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I'm the last 40 years, only 4 teams (phili, Balt x2 and TB) won SBs without QBs who won't appear on a HoF ballet, and 3 of 4 had all-time great defenses with 3-to-4 HoF players. So, it does indeed to be mostly about the QB; it may not be 90%, but it's pretty dang close. 

Quote from: kingm56 on November 13, 2023, 09:43:35 PM.

I'm the last 40 years, only 4 teams (phili, Balt x2 and TB) won SBs without QBs who won't appear on a HoF ballet, and 3 of 4 had all-time great defenses with 3-to-4 HoF players. So, it does indeed to be mostly about the QB; it may not be 90%, but it's pretty dang close. 

You're right it's a big piece but think of all the great ones who never win and probably won't.

Here's my case in coaching. I think you and I agree thst Justin Herbert is a pretty darn QB- probably a top 5ish. And he might be stuck with the worst coach in the NFL.

Quote from: JT39 on November 13, 2023, 09:50:10 PMYou're right it's a big piece but think of all the great ones who never win and probably won't.

Here's my case in coaching. I think you and I agree thst Justin Herbert is a pretty darn QB- probably a top 5ish. And he might be stuck with the worst coach in the NFL.

Coaching is not the Chargers biggest issue, it's lack of back 7 talent, which is why they're 31st in yards allowed and 24th in points allowed. 

Besides, you're providing evidence against your own point. You're stating Staley is terrible; yet, with a top 5 QB, it a team can overcome marginal coaching.  After all, the Chargers won 10 games last year and made the playoffs.  So, it appears its mostly about the QB...