Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: uconnjack8 on December 12, 2023, 07:14:05 AMDevito made some really nice throws when he had to (the TD pass to Hodgins for example).  158 yards passing certainly isn't anything special.  A 81.7 QBR is a solid number though.

Stats or not, it's a fun run and more than I was expecting.  Things usually get more difficult as teams get more tape on a QB, so we'll see how it goes for the last 4 games. 

When you rush for 200+ yards and get 3 takeaways, you don't need gaudy passing stats to win.  They aren't going to do that every week, but even in a passing league, it's a winning formula.

The good thing is, what's there to see on tape for DeVito? He's not doing anything defensive coordinators haven't seen before. This is what he is right now.

Despite his current three-game winning streak, I think these last four games still carry a lot of weight. Not so much in terms of win/lose but in how Tommy Touchdown plays in them.

I don't think Jones will be ready for the season opener nor do I think they will push him to be ready. A lot of that depends on whether Schoen drafts a QB in April or not. I think Tyrod is gone and if no QB is drafted, they will definitely bring in a veteran to compete with TD Tommy.

If Tommy clearly outperforms the new rookie/veteran next preseason, he'll get the start. I firmly believe that Jones' season debut hinges 100% on how TD Tommy does. If they are winning, Jones sits until. And I highly doubt the fan base will be calling for Jones if the Giants are winning with Tommy.

Quote from: kingm56 on December 12, 2023, 12:44:11 AMSerious question.  Putting Devito aside for a second, does anyone want DJ to return as our starting QB?

The season isn't over yet. At this point I think I need to see how his rehab goes. If healthy to start day one, then yes. It's his job to be taken away.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 12, 2023, 08:42:24 AMThe season isn't over yet. At this point I think I need to see how his rehab goes. If healthy to start day one, then yes. It's his job to be taken away.

Heaven spare us!  Here Ye Here Ye  Bring back the Dumpoff King

One thing that I felt last night was that the game seems to be slowing down a little for Devito.  He seemed more patient in the pocket and not looking to throw the ball away the second something didn't look right. 

That doesn't mean he'll be a stud in an offseason, or whatever other hyperbole people want to throw around

Quote from: kartanoman on December 12, 2023, 08:00:48 AMYou win the post of the day, and your subsequent contributions aren't far off.

Save some for the Rangers tonight, OK?

I enjoy reading your contributions, very much. Keep up the fantastic work.

Peace!

Thank you very much Kart. Kind of you to say, and the feeling is mutual.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 12, 2023, 08:42:24 AMThe season isn't over yet. At this point I think I need to see how his rehab goes. If healthy to start day one, then yes. It's his job to be taken away.

Thats fair; I was curious if Tommy fails to keep up this pace, would fans feel comfortable reverting back to DJ?  Regardless, I get your point...there's still a lot of time, and much to consider.   

I think what the Giants don't want is to start the season off with fans having a short fuse and on the edge of their seats ready to boo the starting QB and call for a QB change the second an interception or a couple of three and outs happen. And then for obvious health-related reasons I doubt they want to have Jones on some Aaron Rodgers style rush rehab plan because they feel they absolutely have to have him ready for week one. So unless DeVito is suddenly Mike Glennon level bad these last four games, I think the odds are pretty good that he starts week one. And I'd probably still feel that way even if we drafted a rookie QB.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 12, 2023, 06:56:24 AMI agree it's a low standard and we shouldn't get too over our skis about a solid but not great performance. I have seen too many times where people have done this with an ok but far from great game with Jones, so I'm not going to start doing it now. As a fanbase we do have a tendency to get emotional and overrate our own players, and I think we need to keep that in perspective.

Still, there were some things to like about last night specifically, apart from the obvious mere fact that they won as a 6.5 point underdog against a red hot team that many saw as a surging, dangerous dark horse in the NFC.

What I liked about DeVito's performance last night though were two things:

(1) No mistakes. 17 for 21, no turnovers. He also showed very good rush awareness and escapability (zero sacks).

(2) He dialed it up late in the game when he was needed the most. The TD passing play to Hodgins was electric. The two separate throws to Wan'Dale (the flea flicker and then the late sideline throw) were good too. I thought we saw the best of him late in the game when everything was on the line.


The bottom line is DeVito is bringing bona fide fun and a little bit of magic to an otherwise dark, dismal season. We have had infighting with coaches, players not getting along, fan outrage, tons of injuries, blowout losses, you name it. It's been brutal. I don't think we're looking at the next great QB or anything, but fans are having a good time with it, and the team has won three in row. That's all I know.

It's also the holiday season. I'm not going to snarl and repeatedly scream "Bah Humbug!" like Ebenezer Scrooge when everyone else is having a great time with this. I'm going to enjoy it myself too for as long as it lasts.

If Bullock misses the kick, does that change DeVito's performance?  If Robinson fumbles at the end of the play that put them in FG range, does that change DeVito's performance?  The idea that he "led them to victory" is non-sense.  Barkley doesn't fumble, does that change DeVito's performance? 

Quote from: killarich on December 11, 2023, 11:56:15 PMAnd 70 rushing yards

The game wasn't elite or great ... but he had a good game

He wasn't even good.  How many easy passes did he badly miss?

Promote the scout that recommended him to the head of scouting/ player personnel.

I will be very very happy for my team!

Quote from: GloryDays on December 13, 2023, 10:23:07 PMPromote the scout that recommended him to the head of scouting/ player personnel.

Tommy was #8 in the Heisman race in 2018. Had a teriffic last year at Illinois. He did not appear out of nowhere

I dont know why no one drafted him but hey- good thing for us

I know that we have a tendency to be fickle and rash. That's probably true of most team's fans, and quite understandable with Giants fans given our too frequent, long struggles with competitiveness.

Tommy DeVito is an easy to root for kind of guy, but let's not get carried away and burden him with our "over our skis" expectations. Despite the attention he's getting from the media, not so much for his modest accomplishment as for it's "human interest" element in what has been a less than exciting NFL season so far, it is not only lead pipe unlikely that he will "run the table" but even money that should Our Heroes not beat the Saints on Sunday, we will stop overreaching and return to our more usual short-arming.

But make no mistake, should they win, you will hear me yelling, "Way to go! Another round of chicken cutlets, please." It will then be up to the Eagles to put an end to our "playoffs repeat" fantasy, and so let us start our "Way too Early" Silly Season WAGing that much earlier.

Cheers!

Quote from: coggs on December 13, 2023, 09:16:13 PMIf Bullock misses the kick, does that change DeVito's performance?  If Robinson fumbles at the end of the play that put them in FG range, does that change DeVito's performance?  The idea that he "led them to victory" is non-sense.  Barkley doesn't fumble, does that change DeVito's performance? 

Agreed. We fans attribute winning and losing to QBs way more than we should. Especially when it's a small sample (in this case extremely small).

Did DeVito play better against the Pats because they won 10-7 than Josh Allen did in the 2021 AFC championship game in KC, where he threw for 329 yards and four TDs (and ran for 68 yards) with no turnovers and his team lost 42-36 bc the D couldn't get a stop with 13 seconds left on the clock?