Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: spiderblue43 on December 28, 2023, 01:11:03 PMIt certainly points out Riley's influence if Miller Moss (in a bowl game debut) goes viral with the spiral (6 tds..almost 400 yds.passing).

I think there is zero chance the Giants trade up for Williams..but is it possible he drops some? And do the Bears reconsider Fields as their starter... Murray's contract in Arizona..or The Patriots desire? And what about the Skins (who I think would grab him)?

Stay tuned...  

Unlike Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen where all my USC and UCLA fans who did not think their respective QB was any good, my USC fans all absolutely think Williams is the real deal.

Quote from: spiderblue43 on December 28, 2023, 01:11:03 PMIt certainly points out Riley's influence if Miller Moss (in a bowl game debut) goes viral with the spiral (6 tds..almost 400 yds.passing).

I think there is zero chance the Giants trade up for Williams..but is it possible he drops some? And do the Bears reconsider Fields as their starter... Murray's contract in Arizona..or The Patriots desire? And what about the Skins (who I think would grab him)?

Stay tuned...  

I will take it further than a zero chance that they will trade up for Williams by suggesting that even if they decide to use their top pick on a QB- which I doubt- he won't be their target.

Please don't ask me who I think it might otherwise be as I haven't decided if it's even worth the bother.

Cheers!

Quote from: Painter on December 28, 2023, 02:13:00 PMI will take it further than a zero chance that they will trade up for Williams by suggesting that even if they decide to use their top pick on a QB- which I doubt- he won't be their target.

Please don't ask me who I think it might otherwise be as I haven't decided if it's even worth the bother.

Cheers!

If not Williams, then who??? 😝

Quote from: Painter on December 28, 2023, 02:13:00 PMI will take it further than a zero chance that they will trade up for Williams by suggesting that even if they decide to use their top pick on a QB- which I doubt- he won't be their target.

Please don't ask me who I think it might otherwise be as I haven't decided if it's even worth the bother.

Cheers!

Painter has inside info. He seems to know what Schoen will do five months from now. I wish I had that gift.

Quote from: sooners56 on December 28, 2023, 11:17:23 AMI definitely understand but I think a lot of the body language and crying to momma gets overblown. The talent is there so I'd be interested to know what his teammates have to say about him. If his teammates vouch for him then as a teams GM I wouldn't put too much stock into all that nonsense. However, if his teammates bring it up or mention Williams negatively, then I would be weary of drafting him. Either way, unless the Giants trade up, Williams will be someone else's franchise QB or headache.

okie (lol): I agree with that 100 percent, but so far as I know the scouts don't talk to teammates, although the coaches they talk to might have 2nd-hand knowledge of the views of privately-expressed views of teammates (although I don't think they'll remain effective coaches for very long if it becomes known they told scouts about inside-the-locker-room scuttlebutt.  Bob

On pure eye test, I have always liked Williams a lot. I understand there are red flags, but just based on what I see, I am a fan of his talent. He was noticeable to me the first time I watched him as a Sooner. My base case expectation is that he will be very good. No doubt he has material bust risk though (as do most if not all college QB prospects).

Quote from: Painter on December 28, 2023, 02:13:00 PMI will take it further than a zero chance that they will trade up for Williams by suggesting that even if they decide to use their top pick on a QB- which I doubt- he won't be their target.

Please don't ask me who I think it might otherwise be as I haven't decided if it's even worth the bother.

Cheers!

I don't think the Giants would draft him wherever they pick in round 1. Watching that terrible OL all year is more likely the pick than a qb in the draft..plus Jones will be back. I'm not saying never but who knows.

It's simply way too early, so many things to shake out...as I listed.

CJ Stroud is the living embodiment of why you need to do your due diligence on a player before drafting a guy early. Every other quarterback from that program over the past 30 years has been a monumental bust except for him. For the longest time it was you don't draft a quarterback from OSU or Oregon. Since Herbert and Stroud the whole systems make the quarterback thing should have died. You have to look at the big picture. Does he have arm strength, can he make all the throws, does he put the ball where it should be consistently, does he throw with anticipation, can he make off schedule throws, does he have good pocket awareness, is he mobile enough to turn a busted play into a first down, do his teammates respect and follow him, is he smart enough to learn the playbook, does he do the right things during the offseason. None of those things are system dependent. If the answer is yes to all those things you take him regardless of where he played ball.

Take Drake Make for example. Last year his offensive coordinator was Phil Longo who ran an air raid offense. He put up video game numbers. This past year Longo went to Wisconsin and they hired a quy who's offense was a bit different. Statistically Maye's stats took a hit but all the things that made him a top prospect under Longo were still there under the new guy. Is Made less of a quarterback outside of Longo's system, statistically yes but the tools are exactly the same and you draft tools.

Quote from: madbadger on December 28, 2023, 03:56:12 PMCJ Stroud is the living embodiment of why you need to do your due diligence on a player before drafting a guy early. Every other quarterback from that program over the past 30 years has been a monumental bust except for him. For the longest time it was you don't draft a quarterback from OSU or Oregon. Since Herbert and Stroud the whole systems make the quarterback thing should have died. You have to look at the big picture. Does he have arm strength, can he make all the throws, does he put the ball where it should be consistently, does he throw with anticipation, can he make off schedule throws, does he have good pocket awareness, is he mobile enough to turn a busted play into a first down, do his teammates respect and follow him, is he smart enough to learn the playbook, does he do the right things during the offseason. None of those things are system dependent. If the answer is yes to all those things you take him regardless of where he played ball.

Take Drake Make for example. Last year his offensive coordinator was Phil Longo who ran an air raid offense. He put up video game numbers. This past year Longo went to Wisconsin and they hired a quy who's offense was a bit different. Statistically Maye's stats took a hit but all the things that made him a top prospect under Longo were still there under the new guy. Is Made less of a quarterback outside of Longo's system, statistically yes but the tools are exactly the same and you draft tools.

Yeah that was one of my concerns with maye initially because Howell put up the same video numbers as every Qb under Longo.

Quote from: madbadger on December 28, 2023, 03:56:12 PMCJ Stroud is the living embodiment of why you need to do your due diligence on a player before drafting a guy early. Every other quarterback from that program over the past 30 years has been a monumental bust except for him. For the longest time it was you don't draft a quarterback from OSU or Oregon. Since Herbert and Stroud the whole systems make the quarterback thing should have died. You have to look at the big picture. Does he have arm strength, can he make all the throws, does he put the ball where it should be consistently, does he throw with anticipation, can he make off schedule throws, does he have good pocket awareness, is he mobile enough to turn a busted play into a first down, do his teammates respect and follow him, is he smart enough to learn the playbook, does he do the right things during the offseason. None of those things are system dependent. If the answer is yes to all those things you take him regardless of where he played ball.

Take Drake Make for example. Last year his offensive coordinator was Phil Longo who ran an air raid offense. He put up video game numbers. This past year Longo went to Wisconsin and they hired a quy who's offense was a bit different. Statistically Maye's stats took a hit but all the things that made him a top prospect under Longo were still there under the new guy. Is Made less of a quarterback outside of Longo's system, statistically yes but the tools are exactly the same and you draft tools.

Which QBs from OSU were drafted in the 1st round in the last 30 years?

Quote from: uconnjack8 on December 28, 2023, 04:56:11 PMWhich QBs from OSU were drafted in the 1st round in the last 30 years?

Dwayne Haskins.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on December 28, 2023, 04:56:11 PMWhich QBs from OSU were drafted in the 1st round in the last 30 years?

Haskins and Fields. For some reason I also thought Troy Smith went late in the first but he actually fell to the fifth.

Quote from: katkavage on December 28, 2023, 02:49:29 PMPainter has inside info. He seems to know what Schoen will do five months from now. I wish I had that gift.

Not to worry, it might take you a little longer, but eventually your guess will be as meaningless as mine. 

Cheers!

Williams concerns me what I saw in a game as brooding when he was plying badly when he needed to be showing leadership.

Read my post on Ryan Leaf.  You have to pay attention to personality traits.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 28, 2023, 09:58:56 AMAs I've said before, he has all the football skills and physical talent to be the next Mahomes. But he has bust written all over him.

I agree Ed. I live in Los Angeles and watch a lot of UCLA and USC games. I think Williams will be a bust. In fact I think Maye will be the first QB off the boards and it would not surprise me that Daniels is the 2nd followed by Williams