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The #Giants are interviewing #Titans DC Shane Bowen

He was the Titans DC for the last three years and was their OLB coach since 2018

Here is the Titans sack rankings over those years:

2023: 17th (45)*
2022: 20th (39)*
2021: 10th (43)*
2020: 30th (19)
2019: 13th (43)
2018: 17th (39)
*as Defensive Coordiantor

Ryan Cowden - Giants' current executive advisor to GM - has worked with Bowen in Tennessee since 2018. Connection there, but Daboll has not worked with him in the past.


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How do you all feel about the DC choice? A position coach up and coming that may need a learning curve, an experienced one who came from a decent or bad defense or a veteran like Jim Schwartz who's unavailable but we missed out on a year or so ago? A fired HC?

I think I want a proven entity.

I followed many Titans games the last two years and that defense was victimized by chunk plays and late game collapses.

His roster on D declined or was chronically hurt in key areas..but he didn't stand out to me 

Titans had a decent run D but were prone to giving up big pass plays when their pass rush did not get home. Injures did not help. A mid-range D. The key is determining whether he had them playing above or below their talent and that is one their fans would know better than me.

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 12, 2024, 04:36:27 PMHow do you all feel about the DC choice? A position coach up and coming that may need a learning curve, an experienced one who came from a decent or bad defense or a veteran like Jim Schwartz who's unavailable but we missed out on a year or so ago? A fired HC?

I think I want a proven entity.

I'm not too concerned about their history so long as it wasn't one that featured a lot of failure.

I want someone who isn't stuck in his ways, is adaptable, and can make in-game adjustments. He needs to be able to key in on his players' strengths and hide their weaknesses.

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 12, 2024, 04:36:27 PMHow do you all feel about the DC choice? A position coach up and coming that may need a learning curve, an experienced one who came from a decent or bad defense or a veteran like Jim Schwartz who's unavailable but we missed out on a year or so ago? A fired HC?

I think I want a proven entity.

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Quote from: MightyGiants on January 13, 2024, 09:46:07 AMhttps://x.com/clt_ny/status/1746181077381591440?s=20

My concern too.

I feel like with OCs, teams are always looking for the latest young whiz kid. With DCs, you've seen a lot of teams have a lot of success going with re-tread types. Look at the Browns this year with Schwartz. I remember McVay had plenty of defensive success with Wade Wilson. Spags is another example. Fangio has had some success in Miami. Quinn had a good run in Dallas. Many failed head coaches who were good defensive coordinators come back as DCs again and have a lot of success that way. Dick LeBeau another example.

The other nice thing about hiring someone with that profile is you don't have to worry as much about them leaving if they have success. Unless someone wants to offer them another head coaching gig, which only happens occasionally with failed head coaches, they're unlikely to leave you if they're having success with you.

With all the young guys the Giants have, I wouldn't mind getting someone whom they think is not likely to get poached away as a HC in 2-3 years if he has success with us. I wouldn't be closed to that obviously, because I'll frankly take anyone who is going to be successful, but it would be nice to get a guy in there who can be there for more like 4-5 years (or longer) and really build this defense and establish continuity.

I will offer up what I am hoping for:

1) I find the argument for an experienced DC compelling and so it's on my want list

2) I want a DC who runs a 3-4

3) I want a DC who doesn't favor zone coverage too strongly as this team was built with M2M in mind

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 13, 2024, 09:56:23 AMI will offer up what I am hoping for:

1) I find the argument for an experienced DC compelling and so it's on my want list

2) I want a DC who runs a 3-4

3) I want a DC who doesn't favor zone coverage too strongly as this team was built with M2M in mind

PFF has a breakdown by player of man and zone coverage grades as I recall. I'm curious how Adoree, Banks and Hawkins break down.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 13, 2024, 09:56:23 AMI will offer up what I am hoping for:

1) I find the argument for an experienced DC compelling and so it's on my want list

2) I want a DC who runs a 3-4

3) I want a DC who doesn't favor zone coverage too strongly as this team was built with M2M in mind

Mckinney, Banks, Pinnock and most of our Dbs outside Flott do better in zone do they not?

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 13, 2024, 10:36:38 AMPFF has a breakdown by player of man and zone coverage grades as I recall. I'm curious how Adoree, Banks and Hawkins break down.

All of Banks picks this season came in zone. Mckinney thrived in zone vs man as well.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 13, 2024, 10:41:58 AMAll of Banks picks this season came in zone. Mckinney thrived in zone vs man as well.

That's after Daboll coached Winky. Can't intercept the ball trailing the Receivers with your back to the QB. Also more Cover 2 and Quarters helped the Safeties make plays. Bringing the house mentality far too often was idiotic.

IMHO they're overthinking this. Just promote Andre Patterson. He was a head coach in college, a co-dc in the NFL, he knows the scheme and the players. It is the least disruptive move and by all accounts the guys on defense love him.