Big Blue Huddle

Not being asked to do something and not being able to do it are two very different things.

Just because Mccarthy wasn't asked to chunk it all game long doesn't mean he isn't capable of it.

His reading of progressions, diagnosing the field, velocity, and accuracy are all more advanced right now than most of the prospects despite only playing two years. He has a lot more to learn, whereas Daniels, penix, and Nix are all likely maxed out on what they bring to the table being 5th/6th year prospects.

I hate the JJ and DJ comparisons.  DJ looks afraid to make a mistake throwing the ball.  JJ is not afraid to take chances.

Also DJ appears quiet everywhere.  JJ has a lot more energy in his demeanor in terms of encouraging and pumping up teammates.

Both are good people but JJ has more passion.

Quote from: Philosophers on February 04, 2024, 11:38:03 PMI hate the JJ and DJ comparisons.  DJ looks afraid to make a mistake throwing the ball.  JJ is not afraid to take chances.

Also DJ appears quiet everywhere.  JJ has a lot more energy in his demeanor in terms of encouraging and pumping up teammates.

Both are good people but JJ has more passion.

I agree. Not that outward displays of energy are all important.but Jones' quiet, almost defeated look drives me nuts. Remember when he apologized for dressing down a teammate? Qbs have to sometimes (see Simms).

The athlete's demeanor is not an issue with me. Everyone is different. Results are what matter, not how you look getting those results.

Quote from: katkavage on February 05, 2024, 07:55:52 AMThe athlete's demeanor is not an issue with me. Everyone is different. Results are what matter, not how you look getting those results.

Results like a perfect season and a championship?

Quote from: katkavage on February 05, 2024, 07:55:52 AMThe athlete's demeanor is not an issue with me. Everyone is different. Results are what matter, not how you look getting those results.

Nobody is focused on demeanor except if it is a sign about their tendencies.  DJ is a quiet leader who comes in first and leaves last.  He gets sacked at a ridiculous level, the vast majority due to an inept offensive line and he does not cast blame.  He is a quiet, selfless leader.  I love all that.

What I don't like is seeing a guy who looks afraid to take chances throwing the ball.  That is not JJ. 

Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 04, 2024, 11:52:55 AMThe kid has a howitzer for an arm, and you can see him read the entire field, go through progressions, and lead that Michigan team. I also believe him learning from Harbaugh and being in a Pro style offense for those years sets him up to be the most ready to step in and immediately contribute.

I would be happy with the pick assuming we get him a number 1 receiver at 6, and then use the 1 2nd round pick and some others to move up and get him at the end of the 1st.

I think that's the biggest intangible he has in his favor.

I like JJ a lot. He leads, he makes tough throws, usually good decisions, yes, he manages games(aren't all QB's supposed to), he's athletic, he has played in a pro type offense with a pro coach, he has handled the big stage, and most important HE WINS. Period. I'm not saying he's worth a #6 overall, but I'd be thrilled if the Giants got him.

"J.J. McCarthy is interesting," Kiper prefaced, via ESPN's First Draft show. "We know how much Jim Harbaugh loves his former quarterback at Michigan. There's mixed opinion, I think, around J.J. McCarthy coming into this draft. He didn't have to carry that football team on his shoulders. He didn't have to do it. He had an offensive line, he had a running game and he had a defense. When he had to make plays, J.J. did.

"J.J. just turned 21 years of age. J.J. is a competitor. J.J. is an athlete who can beat you with his legs. He had a key run in that national title game, got them out of trouble and was a pivotal moment when he did that with his legs. He made throws, a couple of them were dropped by receivers. Bottom line is, J.J. McCarthy, if you believe in this kid, I don't care about what everyone else is saying, I care about what the Falcons brain-trust believes about J.J. McCarthy. You feel he's a franchise quarterback, if you're in lockstep with Jim Harbaugh on this, then you take him at eight. You take J.J. McCarthy."

Alas, Kiper's prediction comes after the aforementioned Harbaugh stated McCarthy should be the top quarterback drafted come April, during an appearance on The Herd last week.

"Arm talent, athleticism, it-factor, winning with numbing repetition," Harbaugh told Colin Cowherd of McCarthy's best attributes. "Don't be surprised if/when he goes, if he's the No. 1 quarterback off the board. That's my prediction right now.

"When people get a load of JJ and how he can throw the ball, how he spins it, his athleticism, his intelligence, the it-factor, the competitiveness he has, and they get around him and really start digging in and talking to him, yeah, that's an early prediction for the 2024 NFL Draft."

https://www.on3.com/pro/news/mel-kiper-jr-predicts-interesting-jj-mccarthy-to-be-drafted-no-8-overall-by-atlanta-falcons/

I remember years ago when Jameis Winston and I think Bryce Petty were prospects for the draft, their agent suggested they meet with Jim Harbaugh to hear his thoughts on how NFL teams would evaluate each and what questions they may get asked.  Harbaugh had just recently left the 49ers to be HC at Michigan.  They went to Ann Arbor for three days to spend time with him.  When they were done, I remember Winston saying he learned more in 3 days about the QB position from Harbaugh than he did in all the years playing for Jimbo Fisher at Florida State.  The first thing Harbaugh asked Petty and Winston was to show him how they hold the football. 

My feeling about JJ is that I think Harbaugh took a lot of time coaching him personally about the QB position.  I can't tell you exactly how he compares to say Jayden Daniels on this or that physical attribute, but in terms of the mental aspect of playing QB, I think JJ is the most NFL prepared QB prospect in this draft class.  I honestly believe QB prospects who are busts in the NFL are so because of the mental intangibles.  They may end up being average because of physical attributes but in terms of being busts, it's the mental thing.

Lance Zierlein:


NFL evaluators have described McCarthy's processing as "elite" in my conversations with them.



https://www.nfl.com/news/lance-zierlein-2024-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-falcons-patriots-make-trades-to-land-qbs?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cfb

Im not crazy about McCarthy.  Chargers can have him.

I like Nix and Penix who both might be available at #6

In the championship game, the Wolverines basically relied on the run-game to win it (same against Ohio State).

A crucial question to consider is why? There are many good reasons, so a follow-up question is why not?

The kid was in a tough spot. Maybe he's the next Tom Brady and never had a chance to prove it on the field.

Or the next Daniel Jones & the coach knew it & thought their ONLY chance to win big games was run the ball.

Or, regardless how good he really is, the coaches firmly believed (as I do) their BEST chance to win any big game with a college team is/was to try to run the ball (the easy choice since it had worked ALL YEAR) and not pass the ball until the back end of the defense began moving closer to the line of scrimmage to stop the run.

Bob

Quote from: BluesCruz on February 06, 2024, 03:04:38 PMIm not crazy about McCarthy.  Chargers can have him.

I like Nix and Penix who both might be available at #6

Chargers are not taking a QB. They have Herbert.

Quote from: BluesCruz on February 06, 2024, 03:04:38 PMIm not crazy about McCarthy.  Chargers can have him.

I like Nix and Penix who both might be available at #6

Nix and Penix likely won't even go in the 1st round while Mccarthy will be gone in the top 12 picks. Mccarthy is 21, has all the intangibles etc while Nix and Penix are 24, have extensive injury histories, and significant questions about large portions of their game. The gap between Mccarthy and the other two is already significant.