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I think part of the problem is too many people are not properly scouting McCarthy.   "why didn't he carry the team on passing alone?" isn't scouting.   Saying you never saw an amazing 400+ yard game isn't scouting.  Scouting is looking for the traits that successful NFL QBs have and looking at the entire trait set and projecting those traits into the NFL


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Quote from: MightyGiants on February 10, 2024, 08:43:58 AMI think part of the problem is too many people are not properly scouting McCarthy.   "why didn't he carry the team on passing alone?" isn't scouting.   Saying you never saw an amazing 400+ yard game isn't scouting.  Scouting is looking for the traits that successful NFL QBs have and looking at the entire trait set and projecting those traits into the NFL


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Rich - Thanks for posting this video.  I saw everyone of those plays in that video during the regular seasons he played.  What I keep telling folks is look at the traits he displays when he makes those throws.  Many of them are into tight coverage.  Watch his base platform that he uses.  He is stable, head up looking downfield.  Now watch his throwing motion.  Big hip turn and drive from his lower body.  Arm angle varies.  Even when he is running, he maintains good mechanics.  He is always looking downfield to make a play.  Some of those throws were missiles fired far downfield into tight coverage.  When folks say or I read that his arm is "average" I want to say, "what video of him if any have you actually watched?"   

Quote from: Philosophers on February 10, 2024, 09:04:26 AMRich - Thanks for posting this video.  I saw everyone of those plays in that video during the regular seasons he played.  What I keep telling folks is look at the traits he displays when he makes those throws.  Many of them are into tight coverage.  Watch his base platform that he uses.  He is stable, head up looking downfield.  Now watch his throwing motion.  Big hip turn and drive from his lower body.  Arm angle varies.  Even when he is running, he maintains good mechanics.  He is always looking downfield to make a play.  Some of those throws were missiles fired far downfield into tight coverage.  When folks say or I read that his arm is "average" I want to say, "what video of him if any have you actually watched?"   

Joe,

In the NFL, it seems the most effective QBs are those who start to run but are constantly looking down the field and trying to make a passing play until the last possible moment (when they tuck and run).  Think of Mahomes and Josh Allen as prime examples of that trait.  QBs with that trait are much harder to defend (because you need to defend both the pass and the run when the QB starts to scramble). That trait really jumps off the tape with McCarthy.   

Quote from: Philosophers on February 10, 2024, 09:04:26 AMRich - Thanks for posting this video.  I saw everyone of those plays in that video during the regular seasons he played.  What I keep telling folks is look at the traits he displays when he makes those throws.  Many of them are into tight coverage.  Watch his base platform that he uses.  He is stable, head up looking downfield.  Now watch his throwing motion.  Big hip turn and drive from his lower body.  Arm angle varies.  Even when he is running, he maintains good mechanics.  He is always looking downfield to make a play.  Some of those throws were missiles fired far downfield into tight coverage.  When folks say or I read that his arm is "average" I want to say, "what video of him if any have you actually watched?"   

kids game reminds me of a mini Joe Burrow. That's my comp for him at least.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 10, 2024, 10:03:28 AMkids game reminds me of a mini Joe Burrow. That's my comp for him at least.

I think he is more mobile than Burrow

There are pros and cons, strengths and weaknesses for every one of these guys from which we may then cherry-pick so as to suit what was just a whim before we found ourselves investing it with personal bias.

Although we are never free of the doubt and uncertainty that surrounds the Draft, some will find it necessary to proselytize in behalf of someone or something. There is, of course, no harm in that even if later we claim credit for a specific accuracy while ignoring or failing to acknowledge our far more frequent inaccuracies- see wrong guesses.

But then, I suppose, that is exactly what this exercise is about, something which applies equally to the pundits and 'perts, and to fans casual or obsessed. It is a guessing game not burdened by subsequent memory and where, "Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan"

Cheers!

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 10, 2024, 10:26:04 AMI think he is more mobile than Burrow

McCarthy is certainly faster (by a lot) and might be more mobile/agile in general outside the pocket. I don't know as much about his pocket mobility, but it is well known that Burrow's is excellent. He is at our near the top of the league at that particular skill set.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 10, 2024, 10:26:04 AMI think he is more mobile than Burrow

I agree, but he uses that mobility well. He's constantly looking downfield even when he's moving.

Burrow isn't elite at really anything but he's great at everything which makes him such a well-rounded player and you can see that in Mccarthy despite not necessarily having the volume, he has all the control. His processing is on another level.

Quote from: Painter on February 10, 2024, 11:00:40 AMThere are pros and cons, strengths and weaknesses for every one of these guys from which we may then cherry-pick so as to suit what was just a whim before we found ourselves investing it with personal bias.

Although we are never free of the doubt and uncertainty that surrounds the Draft, some will find it necessary to proselytize in behalf of someone or something. There is, of course, no harm in that even if later we claim credit for a specific accuracy while ignoring or failing to acknowledge our far more frequent inaccuracies- see wrong guesses.

But then, I suppose, that is exactly what this exercise is about, something which applies equally to the pundits and 'perts, and to fans casual or obsessed. It is a guessing game not burdened by subsequent memory and where, "Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan"

Cheers!

Larry,

Your post reminds me of one of my favorite quotes


"In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little, yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so."

Why not raise the bar and share your scouting thoughts on McCarthy?   

Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 10, 2024, 10:03:28 AMkids game reminds me of a mini Joe Burrow. That's my comp for him at least.

If I use a range with say Michael Vick at a 10 and Tom Brady at the other end at a 1, I'd put McCarthy in the 65th - 70th percentile in terms of as an athletic running QB.  He has no problem running and when he does he is very effective, however, he is always looking first to throw it and at the first sign of pressure, is not looking to tuck it and run.  I think his athleticism is similar to Daniel Jones, maybe a bit better.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 10, 2024, 02:05:37 PMLarry,

Your post reminds me of one of my favorite quotes


"In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little, yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so."

Why not raise the bar and share your scouting thoughts on McCarthy?   

Have I not already given you my view regarding McCarthy both as the Giants pick at number 6 and as and as later one? As for my characterization of the pre- and post-Draft process, do you find it inaccurate in some way, or simply an inconvenience at the moment?

Cheers!

Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 08, 2024, 06:47:14 PMSo then when/where do we get the Qb of the future? How much more does the organization need to lose before everyone is tired of losing and willing for the organization to go after a qb?

The time for that is now. I just don't have high expectations for McCarthy. If the Giants do indeed draft McCarthy, I will hope like heck that I am completely wrong on him. For me, I am ok taking Williams, Maye or Daniel's at 6. McCarthy just didn't look special to me on the few games I watched, even though he had a perfect setup for a QB. Legit Oline, elite running game and an elite defense. His WRs are underrated. Daniel's throwing to two first round WRs had it pretty easy as well. Williams and Maye had the least to work with and showed me the most in the games I watched. I am no scout and don't spend hours breaking down plays. I just go by what I seen in the games I watched.

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