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This may be of some interest to those who value PFF grades, but they had the Giants offensive line ranked 30th worst in the NFL for 2023.

Only the Titans and Jets had a worse offensive line, link down below for those who may be interested.

Link for O line

That's for both run blocking and pass blocking.  In terms of pass blocking the Giants ranked dead last with a horrible 43.4 grade.  Not to worry, the QB got a boost from the dead-last receivers (62.3 grade).  

We have a rookie center who struggled mightily.  We do not have starting level guards who are even average.  We have a failing right offensive tackle.  We have many young players who also suffered injuries so I am not sure they will be at their 100% level.  All I keep hearing is we can't keep investing in this group.  Why not?  I am not saying draft an OL player at 6, but damn, invest further in at a minimum mid-round picks, not for development but for potential starters.  85 sacks, the second worst in NFL history suggests ignoring it will only give us the same results. 

Quote from: Philosophers on February 29, 2024, 10:36:07 AMWe have a rookie center who struggled mightily.  We do not have starting level guards who are even average.  We have a failing right offensive tackle.  We have many young players who also suffered injuries so I am not sure they will be at their 100% level.  All I keep hearing is we can't keep investing in this group.  Why not?  I am not saying draft an OL player at 6, but damn, invest further in at a minimum mid-round picks, not for development but for potential starters.  85 sacks, the second worst in NFL history suggests ignoring it will only give us the same results. 

I don't want them to not invest but clearly us drafting the future on the line hasn't panned out, so at least try to address it in a different way before going back to the same well that hasn't been fruitful.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 29, 2024, 09:27:13 AMThat's for both run blocking and pass blocking.  In terms of pass blocking the Giants ranked dead last with a horrible 43.4 grade.  Not to worry, the QB got a boost from the dead-last receivers (62.3 grade).  

Mighty,

Thanks so much for sharing and contributing those stats.

Your comments also made me laugh when you incorporated the pass blocking grade and reciever grade as well.

This makes sense, as outside of the very first drive against Dallas, DJ never had A.Thomas as his left tackle.

We combine that with the first three out of four interceptions hitting Waller and Barkley right in the hands, but they popped the balls up to be intercepted, which contributed to their reciever grade being so horrendous.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 29, 2024, 11:18:40 AMI don't want them to not invest but clearly us drafting the future on the line hasn't panned out, so at least try to address it in a different way before going back to the same well that hasn't been fruitful.

They need to evaluate why they fail so often with OL prospect evals.  Clearly something is wrong with how they do it.  They can't be afraid to continue trying but solve the eval problem first.

I prefer it be stated 30th best. 

 

Quote from: Leek21 on February 29, 2024, 03:49:21 PMI prefer it be stated 30th best. 

 

Methinks you have it backwards.

When he says "30th worst," that really means "Third best." It's a kind of double negative, so either it's "30th best" or just leave it at the conventional "30th overall."

Class dismissed. Now back to the discussion at hand. New Offensive Line Coach, Carmen Bricillo, has his hands full in trying to solve an issue a full decade and change without the proper attention it truly deserves. Working with Daboll and Kafka, to understand the blocking schemes needed to succeed with the kind of offense the Giants want to employ, would be a good place to start. Next, evaluate the players he has and offer his assessment to Daboll and Schoen on what his needs and wants are. The next step is to acquire as many of those needs and wants and turn Bricillo loose to "Fix the Damn Line," once and for all!!! Schoen and Daboll have to make this one of the top three priorities going into free agency and the draft, plain and simple.

Perhaps then, they'll have a chance to turn things around and make one of their goals for 2024 to be the "30th worst" offense.

Peace!

Quote from: sxdxca38 on February 29, 2024, 09:20:47 AMThis may be of some interest to those who value PFF grades, but they had the Giants offensive line ranked 30th worst in the NFL for 2023.

Only the Titans and Jets had a worse offensive line, link down below for those who may be interested.

Link for O line

sx: Even if you don't give a darn about PFF, it's clear to anyone who watched the team that PFF's ranking of the Giants' offensive line at 30 out of 32 is "pretty close."  Bob

Quote from: sxdxca38 on February 29, 2024, 09:20:47 AMThis may be of some interest to those who value PFF grades, but they had the Giants offensive line ranked 30th worst in the NFL for 2023.

Only the Titans and Jets had a worse offensive line, link down below for those who may be interested.

Link for O line

Watching the games, no, no line was worse than ours. By a country mile.

Quote from: Bob In PA on February 29, 2024, 10:46:47 PMsx: Even if you don't give a darn about PFF, it's clear to anyone who watched the team that PFF's ranking of the Giants' offensive line at 30 out of 32 is "pretty close."  Bob

Hi Bob,

This is so true

Quote from: AYM on March 01, 2024, 06:50:32 AMWatching the games, no, no line was worse than ours. By a country mile.

Hi,

Yes, I agree

The line was undoubtedly very poor last year. It was interesting and somewhat instructive though to see how each of our three QBs handled playing behind it.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 01, 2024, 08:41:16 AMThe line was undoubtedly very poor last year. It was interesting and somewhat instructive though to see how each of our three QBs handled playing behind it.

Do you believe that out of the three evaluations, one or two can have an adverse or a positive effect on the grade of the other? For example, we all know that good Oline play can enhance the effectiveness and therefore the grade of the QB. Can the QB have an effect on the Receiver's play and grade? Can a QB improve or be detrimental to the grade/ranking of an Offensive Line? For example, getting rid of the ball quickly in blitz situations, sliding protections, identifying the hot read, pump, and head fakes, timing of throws, and anticipation.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 01, 2024, 08:41:16 AMThe line was undoubtedly very poor last year. It was interesting and somewhat instructive though to see how each of our three QBs handled playing behind it.

Did the line and receivers improve throughout the season?  Did the return of AT greatly help the O-line?