Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Philosophers on February 25, 2024, 05:45:44 PMDave - my suggestion would be to instead of defining greatness by volume, do it based on what he did throw.  Do you like his decisions, his reads, his throws, his choices to run vs pass or vice versa? 

From what I have observed, I would say yes for the most part. I wouldn't necessarily say he has blown me away though.

As I have said numerous times, I'm totally open to the fact that he may end up being good, very good, or possibly even great. I just personally struggle to get fully on board with using the sixth pick in the draft on a QB who for the most part was gameplanned around by a highly knowledgeable and competent head coach in their four toughest games of the season.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 01, 2024, 02:46:33 PMFrom what I have observed, I would say yes for the most part. I wouldn't necessarily say he has blown me away though.

As I have said numerous times, I'm totally open to the fact that he may end up being good, very good, or possibly even great. I just personally struggle to get fully on board with using the sixth pick in the draft on a QB who for the most part was gameplanned around by a highly knowledgeable and competent head coach in their four toughest games of the season.

What makes you think Michigan gameplanned around him?  Maybe Harbaugh simply likes to run the ball as his established form of offensive identity.  He has repeatedly said that nothing deflates a defense more than an offense running on them.  Michigan ran on everybody and passed aggressively when they did especially with play action.

Quote from: Philosophers on March 01, 2024, 06:12:24 PMWhat makes you think Michigan gameplanned around him?  Maybe Harbaugh simply likes to run the ball as his established form of offensive identity.  He has repeatedly said that nothing deflates a defense more than an offense running on them.  Michigan ran on everybody and passed aggressively when they did especially with play action.

I don't really want to get into a circular, repetitive discussion about this. I feel I made my point clear. I have said repeatedly that I acknowledge he may end up being very good or great. Or he may not. Bottom line for me, I just personally am not fully convinced he's a slam dunk pick at 6th overall in the draft. If you are, great.

A great video explaining everything wrong with this guy. How he has 26 pages of nonsense on him is beyond me. DO NOT DRAFT THIS BUST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I621PS3WS50

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 17, 2024, 02:59:53 AMA great video explaining everything wrong with this guy. How he has 26 pages of nonsense on him is beyond me. DO NOT DRAFT THIS BUST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I621PS3WS50

You can put a film study like that on every QB and every player.  They all make mistakes in a game so highlighting it offers nothing.  Do you think Caleb Williams does not ever miss a read or not focus one place when he should throw somewhere else.  Of course he soes.  What's great about that video is that even on plays where he could have gone to one player and threw it or ran it, he still made a big play.

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 17, 2024, 02:59:53 AMA great video explaining everything wrong with this guy. How he has 26 pages of nonsense on him is beyond me. DO NOT DRAFT THIS BUST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I621PS3WS50

I am curious: what are Alex Rollins' qualifications?   Why should we listen to his opinions?

26 pages of nonsense?

Very mature repsonse

The funny thing is, Drake maye might actually be the closest prospect to Daniel Jones since Daniel Jones.

Quote from: JT39 on March 17, 2024, 09:03:54 AM26 pages of nonsense?

Very mature repsonse

It's sort of funny.  When this thread was started, there were many arguing that JJ would be a late-round one pick or a round-two pick.


The "nonsense" on this thread correctly recognized the potential of JJ, and now Jeremiah is tweeting that many are expecting the QBs to go 1-4, and no one bats an eye at the idea of JJ being drafted 6 by the Giants.

Still, there will always be arrogant fans who believe that voicing well-supported opinions (which have been proven correct) equals "nonsense" because they don't like those opinions. 
Now

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 17, 2024, 08:48:14 AMI am curious: what are Alex Rollins' qualifications?  Why should we listen to his opinions?

In watching it, I think his description of what he sees is actually pretty good but it's the premise that showing a few misreads (even when huge plays occur) shows an inadequacy in a player is odd as a tape of mistakes can be made on every player.

It's the totality that ultimately matters.

Quote from: Philosophers on March 17, 2024, 09:10:39 AMIn watching it, I think his description of what he sees is actually pretty good but it's the premise that showing a few misreads (even when huge plays occur) shows an inadequacy in a player is odd as a tape of mistakes can be made on every player.

It's the totality that ultimately matters.

This is why I like to combine watching tapes with statistical breakdowns. It's far too easy to cherry-pick plays (even unintentionally) to create a false narrative. If the narrative is correct, the stats should reflect it. If the stats tell a different story, one must return to the tape, as it was either incorrectly interpreted or a poor sample was used.

Quote from: Philosophers on March 17, 2024, 09:10:39 AMIn watching it, I think his description of what he sees is actually pretty good but it's the premise that showing a few misreads (even when huge plays occur) shows an inadequacy in a player is odd as a tape of mistakes can be made on every player.

It's the totality that ultimately matters.

Every evaluation podcast does that whether it's pro or con. It's clear the person knows his xxxx, it's just limited to a few plays so it fits his narrative. It's up to the viewer to look into it further or to form an opinion off a body of work. It's good to have both posted in my opinion. Otherwise the site is viewed as slanted. Especially if one member is pushing a narrative incessantly. Thus the high amount of pages.

That's why I limit what I post to mostly what I have observed and my opinion. In the case of JJ McCarthy it's been the limited amount of film, working behind an outstanding Rushing Attack and the lack of pressure he faced, balanced with the fact that he was a winner, he played under a great Coach in a Pro Style offense, has plenty of arm and is mobile. It is clear however even according to Phil Simms, that he will need to be brought along and not start right away. He even said that he doesn't see him as a top ten pick.
No matter where he gets drafted, some here will gloat and take a victory lap. How JJ ultimately performs after a few years will be the true test. Look at Daniel Jones... he's still given a lifeline and supported by a GM who appears to have put his reputation on the line if he passes on a QB in the first two rounds.

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 17, 2024, 10:04:19 AMEvery evaluation podcast does that whether it's pro or con. It's clear the person knows his xxxx, it's just limited to a few plays so it fits his narrative. It's up to the viewer to look into it further or to form an opinion off a body of work. It's good to have both posted in my opinion. Otherwise the site is viewed as slanted. Especially if one member is pushing a narrative incessantly. Thus the high amount of pages.

That's why I limit what I post to mostly what I have observed and my opinion. In the case of JJ McCarthy it's been the limited amount of film, working behind an outstanding Rushing Attack and the lack of pressure he faced, balanced with the fact that he was a winner, he played under a great Coach in a Pro Style offense, has plenty of arm and is mobile. It is clear however even according to Phil Simms, that he will need to be brought along and not start right away. He even said that he doesn't see him as a top ten pick.
No matter where he gets drafted, some here will gloat and take a victory lap. How JJ ultimately performs after a few years will be the true test. Look at Daniel Jones... he's still given a lifeline and supported by a GM who appears to have put his reputation on the line if he passes on a QB in the first two rounds.

Ed,

You gave the people who recognized that McCarthy was a top-10 prospect a lot of grief.  Instead of acknowledging that maybe the negative comments were misguided, now you are accusing them of "gloating" and taking "victory laps" when they point out that they were proven correct.

It wouldn't hurt to simply acknowledge that some people recognized JJ's talent very early on in the process and that maybe giving them grief for doing so was ill-advised.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 17, 2024, 10:09:34 AMEd,

You gave the people who recognized that McCarthy was a top-10 prospect a lot of grief.  Instead of acknowledging that maybe the negative comments were misguided, now you are accusing them of "gloating" and taking "victory laps" when they point out that they were proven correct.

It wouldn't hurt to simply acknowledge that some people recognized JJ's talent very early on in the process and that maybe giving them grief for doing so was ill-advised.

Nobody is proven correct Rich. Do I need to repeat myself that it will take years to see who is correct. And again you put me in a position to provide balance here. You've done the same thing with Jones the last five years. Btw, why is it so important for you to be right that you jump on every post contrary to your opinion. Yes, it's an opinion because you're a fan just like everyone else here.

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 17, 2024, 10:18:49 AMNobody is proven correct Rich. Do I need to repeat myself that it will take years to see who is correct. And again you put me in a position to provide balance here. You've done the same thing with Jones the last five years. Btw, why is it so important for you to be right that you jump on every post contrary to your opinion. Yes, it's an opinion because you're a fan just like everyone else here.

There was nothing extreme about saying JJ was top ten talent.  So there was absolutely no need for you to "provide balance".   As for jumping on contrary opinions, just look how you went after people for saying JJ was top 10.