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JJ took a top 30 visit with us last week. Had dinner with FO and toured the facility.

Came across this on the internet.  It made me chuckle.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 19, 2024, 03:07:57 PMCame across this on the internet.  It made me chuckle.

Perfect.

Spot on! 

Quote from: Philosophers on March 19, 2024, 01:29:35 PMMost importantly, they did it with an OL that protected their QB, then CJ flourished.  CJ Stroud was only sacked 38 times.  He would not be CJ Stroud if we were sacked 85 times like the Giants OL did.

You guys just don't get it. Of course I know the value of a good offensive line. But seriously, that good offensive line won't make a mediocre QB an elite QB. It might prevent him from being worse than mediocre. But the QB has to have the skills along with the offensive line to succeed. A good offensive line and a mediocre QB get you nowhere. And stop with the risk of drafting a QB because it's a crapshoot. Yeah, tell me something I don't know. Trust the GM and staff to do their due diligence. If they don't they will be gone

Quote from: katkavage on March 19, 2024, 05:48:26 PMYou guys just don't get it. Of course I know the value of a good offensive line. But seriously, that good offensive line won't make a mediocre QB an elite QB. It might prevent him from being worse than mediocre. But the QB has to have the skills along with the offensive line to succeed. A good offensive line and a mediocre QB get you nowhere. And stop with the risk of drafting a QB because it's a crapshoot. Yeah, tell me something I don't know. Trust the GM and staff to do their due diligence. If they don't they will be gone

Stop suggesting an elite QB is the answer to the Giants problems.   And I am not suggesting anything about Jones, good or bad.

Quote from: Philosophers on March 20, 2024, 12:14:02 AMStop suggesting an elite QB is the answer to the Giants problems.   And I am not suggesting anything about Jones, good or bad.

I never ever suggested that. But having one gives you hope for ultimate success. You can fix the other problems, and the Giants should and actually trying to, but you still need to find that QB. This is a QB driven league. There is no denying that. If you want the real Giant problem, look no further than the owner. Sadly we fans are stuck with a bad one.

Quote from: katkavage on March 20, 2024, 05:10:07 AMI never ever suggested that. But having one gives you hope for ultimate success. You can fix the other problems, and the Giants should and actually trying to, but you still need to find that QB. This is a QB driven league. There is no denying that. If you want the real Giant problem, look no further than the owner. Sadly we fans are stuck with a bad one.

I hope if we draft a QB and next season our OL continues to be awful that we dont insert the rookie just because the offense is sucking.

Quote from: Philosophers on March 20, 2024, 11:33:03 AMI hope if we draft a QB and next season our OL continues to be awful that we dont insert the rookie just because the offense is sucking.

That's what Drew Lock is there for. And if the OL is still bad, or hasn't improved significantly, even with their all pro left tackle (that most teams don't have), then it might be time for new management.

Quote from: katkavage on March 20, 2024, 12:41:38 PMThat's what Drew Lock is there for. And if the OL is still bad, or hasn't improved significantly, even with their all pro left tackle (that most teams don't have), then it might be time for new management.

Yes for sure.

https://x.com/Patricia_Traina/status/1770615918193701333?s=20

Rich - thanks for posting. Charles Davis covered a lot.  JJ has more work to do IMHO.  I saw him plenty.  He had a good OL.  He goes through progressions well and does see the entire field but there are plays where you can tell he really likes the call and looks too hard at the WR who he is going to throw to.  On those, he has to curb his enthusiasm and sell it better by looking off the targeted WR.  My guess is others do that.

One thing where IMHO JJ is better than any of the other 3 QBs is standing in the pocket or running and completing a throw in which he is going to get blasted by a defender as soon as he releases it.  I remember two plays where Tommy Eichenberg from Ohio St and Dallas Turner from Alabama absolutely clobbered him yet he made great throws.

Quote from: katkavage on March 20, 2024, 12:41:38 PMThat's what Drew Lock is there for. And if the OL is still bad, or hasn't improved significantly, even with their all pro left tackle (that most teams don't have), then it might be time for new management.

New management? You mean new for the 4th time in 8 years? Sure, that ought to do it. Or are you talking about the Maras selling the team? You might actually have something there.

Cheers!

I want JJ. Enough with Jones, he's a big hit away from retirement because of his neck injuries. JJ knows how to win, period.

Quote from: Painter on March 21, 2024, 10:15:26 AMNew management? You mean new for the 4th time in 8 years? Sure, that ought to do it. Or are you talking about the Maras selling the team? You might actually have something there.

Cheers!

If only! I've said that the Mara's are ultimately what drag the franchise down.