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22) Brian Daboll, New York Giants
Regular-season record: 15-18-1 (.456)

Winner of the NFL's 2022 Coach of the Year award, Brian Daboll went through it in 2023. Daniel Jones missed several games with a concussion before suffering a season-ending torn ACL, and the Giants were eventually forced to roll with undrafted free agent QB Tommy DeVito under center. Daboll's sideline blowups became a talking point, while his turbulent relationship with DC Wink Martindale eventually led to the latter's resignation.

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If anything, he ought to credit for winning 3 games with DeVito

I wonder where they had him after the 2022 season when he took down NFL coach of the year honors.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 30, 2024, 04:46:33 PMDo you agree with them?


22) Brian Daboll, New York Giants
Regular-season record: 15-18-1 (.456)

Winner of the NFL's 2022 Coach of the Year award, Brian Daboll went through it in 2023. Daniel Jones missed several games with a concussion before suffering a season-ending torn ACL, and the Giants were eventually forced to roll with undrafted free agent QB Tommy DeVito under center. Daboll's sideline blowups became a talking point, while his turbulent relationship with DC Wink Martindale eventually led to the latter's resignation.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-head-coaches-nfl-rankings/

I do.  I count it heavily against him that he led a powder puff training camp, didn't insist that the OL coach establish a starting 5 in time for them to gel and develop some chemistry, and left them utterly unready to compete on opening day.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on March 30, 2024, 08:47:32 PMI do.  I count it heavily against him that he led a powder puff training camp, didn't insist that the OL coach establish a starting 5 in time for them to gel and develop some chemistry, and left them utterly unready to compete on opening day.

I would also fault him for bringing his friend O-line coach Bobby Johnson and not pulling Daniel Jones by the end of the 3rd quarter in that nightmare Dallas opening game (subjecting DJ to all sorts of physical abuse).

Was Daboll a bad coach masquerading as a very good coach in 2022? Or was he a good coach who got complacent/cocky after 2022 and consequently did a poor coaching job in 2023 but is capable of rebounding and getting back to the techniques that made him successful in 2022?

For me, where I'd rank him right now has a lot to do with which of those two classifications I'd put him in. To just rank him based on the previous season alone seems like a pretty simplistic, one-dimensional way of doing this.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 31, 2024, 07:20:18 AMWas Daboll a bad coach masquerading as a very good coach in 2022? Or was he a good coach who got complacent/cocky after 2022 and consequently did a poor coaching job in 2023 but is capable of rebounding and getting back to the techniques that made him successful in 2022?

For me, where I'd rank him right now has a lot to do with which of those two classifications I'd put him in. To just rank him based on the previous season alone seems like a pretty simplistic, one-dimensional way of doing this.

Jeff,

THAT is the million-dollar question.  As you say, Dabs might just get a bit too full of himself with his early success, and a bit of hubris brought him down.  He would hardly be the first person to fall into that trap and if you recognize the mistake, it's correctable.

On the other hand, they say you learn more about a person in adversity than in good times.   Plus, the way the Giants handled the Wink situation left a sour taste in my mouth, which I don't think bodes well for the future.

It's really hard to predict which direction is the correct one, and I guess we will all find out.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on March 30, 2024, 04:51:34 PMIf anything, he ought to credit for winning 3 games with DeVito

The team looked competitive with Tyrod Taylor and Devito in the game. Couldn't say the same for Jones outside of the second half of that AZ game.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 31, 2024, 07:25:51 AMJeff,

THAT is the million-dollar question.  As you say, Dabs might just get a bit too full of himself with his early success, and a bit of hubris brought him down.  He would hardly be the first person to fall into that trap and if you recognize the mistake, it's correctable.

On the other hand, they say you learn more about a person in adversity than in good times.   Plus, the way the Giants handled the Wink situation left a sour taste in my mouth, which I don't think bodes well for the future.

It's really hard to predict which direction is the correct one, and I guess we will all find out.

All good points Rich.

I thought what he did in 2022 was impressive considering what was handed to him, and while I know some like to paint that season as a bunch of early season, lucky wins against bad teams, he had the team playing very well late (see win in Washington, the blowout of the Colts, the near win in the regular season in Minnesota and then beating them in the playoffs in their building). It's not like they were total trash every single week after the first seven games. Bottom line, I thought he did a really good job that year, and the league agreed (hence the prestigious COY citation).

2023 was a disaster. Having them as ill-prepared for week one as they were was absolutely terrible, and then it didn't get much better after that. I guess you can give them a small pat on the back for not completely quitting and rattling off some wins in the second half (mainly very close, somewhat lucky wins against the dregs of the league), but they didn't completely roll over. Still, it was a rotten coaching year for him, and it was made even worse by the internal strife he seemed to be causing (or at least right in the middle of).

I'd like to think that since we saw what he is capable of in 2022, it means he can do it again. That's the optimistic viewpoint. I don't think it means anyone is saying he's Vince Lombardi, but what he did in 2022 was by far the most competent coaching performance this team has seen the Coughlin era.

As you say, I guess we'll find out.