Big Blue Huddle

Yesterday, I posted predictions by insiders saying that the Giants will go WR.  Yesterday I listened to podcasts where Raanon, Connors, and Giants Insider all say the Giants want to draft a QB.  In fairness, they all qualified that it many not be possible or practical, but that was their strong opinion.  Giants Insider is an NYG mouthpiece, while Raanan is a well-connected independent voice.


It's sort of funny; the beat-level reporting seems to indicate QB, while the national-level insiders seem to indicate WR.

I wonder if the local beat writers have a better perspective, or perhaps the vocal majority of Giants fans has skewed their perspective.

I think want and ability to do so are two different things. Had they not won 3 meaningless games with Devito drafting a QB would be all but a certainty. Everybody should be ready to move on by now. But if they have to trade multiple picks to do it and for the 4th QB off the board at that.. the the price is too steep for me.

I don't think there's a story there, Rich. The narrative is the same as it has been since the Giants "earned" Pick Six by stinking up the stadium last year. Even we rank amateurs know how important QBs are (especially with today's rules), so any time you get a shot at someone in whom you have great confidence, conviction and belief, you act on it. 

It's always been clear that the Giants are close enough to the top that if lightning struck, they would be hit by it. If somehow a QB no one expects to fall to six does so, of course they will pounce. I would do it even if Tom Brady were my starting QB, because a proven QB is gold. 

It's just not going to happen because (1) only Daniels IMO is worth taking the shot; (2) no way he falls that far; (3) I seriously doubt the Giants believe ANY of this year's group is a sure thing, so even if they have a different favorite than mine, these points still apply; (4) the Giants can't fail with this pick (regardless of the position he plays) or like @Ed Vette says such a mistake can set a team back a decade; so (5) they will take a more "conservative" approach by taking seconds from the WR bin rather than thirds or fourth from the QB bin (which is the most dangerous pick a team can make, for obvious reasons).

Bob

Quote from: Gmo11 on April 21, 2024, 09:35:55 AMI think want and ability to do so are two different things. Had they not won 3 meaningless games with Devito drafting a QB would be all but a certainty. Everybody should be ready to move on by now. But if they have to trade multiple picks to do it and for the 4th QB off the board at that.. the the price is too steep for me.

Remember Mahommes was the 2nd QB drafted in 2017 and we all know he is now the best now.

Just because the Giants draft the 4th QB does not mean he wont be the best of the lot.

Quote from: Bob In PA on April 21, 2024, 10:01:40 AMI don't think there's a story there, Rich. The narrative is the same as it has been since the Giants "earned" Pick Six by stinking up the stadium last year. Even we rank amateurs know how important QBs are (especially with today's rules), so any chance you get a shot at someone in whom you have great confidence, conviction and belief, you act on it. 

It's always been clear that the Giants are close enough to the top that if lightning struck, they would be hit by it. If somehow a QB no one expects to fall to six does so, of course they will pounce. I would do it even if Tom Brady were my starting QB, because a proven QB is gold. 

It's just not going to happen because (1) only Daniels IMO is worth taking the shot; (2) no way he falls that far; (3) I seriously doubt the Giants believe ANY of this year's group is a sure thing, so even if they have a different favorite than mine, these points still apply; (4) the Giants can't fail with this pick (regardless of the position he plays) or like @Ed Vette says such a mistake, can set a team back a decade; so (5) they will take a more "conservative" approach by taking seconds from the WR bin rather than thirds or fourth from the QB bin (which is the most dangerous pick a team can make, for obvious reasons).

Bob

Bob,

For what it's worth, the rookie salary structure changed the drafting of the wrong QB narrative, in my opinion.  As long as the team drafting didn't give up too much draft capital (especially future draft capital), the swing and a miss don't cause the damage they once did, as a team can easily move on from their mistake.

Quote from: Philosophers on April 21, 2024, 10:12:27 AMRemember Mahommes was the 2nd QB drafted in 2017 and we all know he is now the best now.

Just because the Giants draft the 4th QB does not mean he wont be the best of the lot.

Phil: If you believed what I believe (i.e., none of the QB's this year is a sure-thing) then you also would have written what I wrote. I agree with your point, and that's what I mean by "lightning striking" (they Giants' view of which QB to take happens to coincide with reality a few years down the line, and not only does the "right" QB fall... they also pick him and hit the jackpot). The only way that happens is if there's a "sleeper" this year and the Giants know it AND they have the balls to pick him AND they're correct. Closest thing to the is Nix, just like @Ed Vette says (and I do not agree... at his age he should have elevated his college team this past season and he did not do so... and they were a better team than the Giants... probably lol). Bob

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 21, 2024, 10:19:18 AMBob,

For what it's worth, the rookie salary structure changed the drafting of the wrong QB narrative, in my opinion.  As long as the team drafting didn't give up too much draft capital (especially future draft capital), the swing and a miss don't cause the damage they once did, as a team can easily move on from their mistake.

Rich: What you said is true... but tell me the last time a team didn't give up "the ranch" to move up (for a QB). What you're really saying is that's it's even more dangerous for teams that move up for a QB than for teams that already own a top-3 pick. For one thing, bad drafting is likely the reason why the have a top-3 pick, so they are apt to pick the wrong guy anyways lol (adding to the danger). For another, no matter the salary rules, QB is still the most important pick so it's still the biggest mistake you can make. It's a near-death penalty rather than a death penalty. lol

Imagine if the draft plays out this way based on current rumors?

1-CHI: QB Caleb Williams
2-WAS: QB Jayden Daniels
3-MIN: QB Drake Maye (trade up, 3 #1 picks + 2nd round pick)
4-AZ: WR Marvin Harrison, Jr.
5-LAC: WR Malik Nabers
6-DEN: QB J.J. McCarthy (trade up, Giants receive DEN's 1st round pick (#12 overall), 3rd round pick (#76 overall), 2025 1st round pick and CB Patrick Surtain)

This might be the dream scenario: McCarthy slides to #6 and they're able to get a king's ransom to trade down. Surtain and Burns gives the D a new look, with Surtain and Banks the most physical CB duo in the league. And with a bounty of picks, a path forward plugging all the holes and lack of playmakers. The Giants may still have a shot at Bo Nix or Michael Penix at #12, too, if they like them.

I respect JJM as a prospect, and the importance of the QB position, and I'd be stoked to get him. But I think I'd rather get the bounty from DEN. It would be a ballsy move of the Giants not to take him, but just one fan's thoughts as I nervously await the draft. The good news is, they can't lose. They are either going to get a QB, a stud WR or trade down for a bunch of picks. That's pretty exciting.

Quote from: 4 Aces on April 21, 2024, 01:30:20 PMImagine if the draft plays out this way based on current rumors?

1-CHI: QB Caleb Williams
2-WAS: QB Jayden Daniels
3-MIN: QB Drake Maye (trade up, 3 #1 picks + 2nd round pick)
4-AZ: WR Marvin Harrison, Jr.
5-LAC: WR Malik Nabers
6-DEN: QB J.J. McCarthy (trade up, Giants receive DEN's 1st round pick (#12 overall), 3rd round pick (#76 overall), 2025 1st round pick and CB Patrick Surtain)

This might be the dream scenario: McCarthy slides to #6 and they're able to get a king's ransom to trade down. Surtain and Burns gives the D a new look, with Surtain and Banks the most physical CB duo in the league. And with a bounty of picks, a path forward plugging all the holes and lack of playmakers. The Giants may still have a shot at Bo Nix or Michael Penix at #12, too, if they like them.

I respect JJM as a prospect, and the importance of the QB position, and I'd be stoked to get him. But I think I'd rather get the bounty from DEN. It would be a ballsy move of the Giants not to take him, but just one fan's thoughts as I nervously await the draft. The good news is, they can't lose. They are either going to get a QB, a stud WR or trade down for a bunch of picks. That's pretty exciting.

Heck, I'd be delighted with that trade even without Surtain.