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We traded this year's 7th rd pick for Boogie last season, but he barely saw the field 

He was a 2nd round pick of the Bills in '21 (I think) and was highly rated. I've read that Wink didn't like (or want) him. I have no idea if that is true or not, but I know there was ongoing animosity between Wink and Daboll and I "think" that Boogie was a guy Daboll wanted and it rubbed Wink the wrong way...who knows

I've also read that he's a perfect 3-tech more so than a LB/ER. As closely as I follow the Giants, I have almost no knowledge of this guy. He was highly rated in 2021 as one of the top ERs in the class. I don't know what went wrong in Buffalo that they would give up on him and take a 7th for him...or if that was just a handshake over beers with Daboll...or if he just didn't fit in with the Bill's where they were overloaded. So hopefully, some of you will fill me in. I would love to find out that he's the real deal and politics caused him to sit the bench last year

@Jolly Blue Giant

Looking at the PFF grades, I think there could be some validity to suggestions that he wasn't a good fit for Wink's system




Boogie came into the league at 6' 3" and 275 pounds, which doesn't scream 3-tech (too light)


I also looked at his NFL.com scouting report.   One thing that was sort of interesting was this:

"He's a big dude, but he's also carrying some extra weight and will need to lean down a little bit or he's going to end up eating himself inside." -- Personnel director for NFC team

You can read the rest of his write-up here

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/boogie-basham/32004241-5314-1481-9904-6347892079b0

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 01, 2024, 12:12:42 PM@Jolly Blue Giant

Looking at the PFF grades, I think there could be some validity to suggestions that he wasn't a good fit for Wink's system




Boogie came into the league at 6' 3" and 275 pounds, which doesn't scream 3-tech (too light)


I also looked at his NFL.com scouting report.   One thing that was sort of interesting was this:

"He's a big dude, but he's also carrying some extra weight and will need to lean down a little bit or he's going to end up eating himself inside." -- Personnel director for NFC team

You can read the rest of his write-up here

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/boogie-basham/32004241-5314-1481-9904-6347892079b0

Rich,

I'm not very familiar with our new defensive system but my question is knowing what you know of it, do you think Boogie will be a good fit or a surprise this year?

I'm going a little conspiracy theory on this take...

Because of the tension between Daboll and Wink, maybe Wink didn't want to play any more of Daboll's 'guys' from Buffalo.

Quote from: Trench on May 01, 2024, 12:59:22 PMRich,

I'm not very familiar with our new defensive system but my question is knowing what you know of it, do you think Boogie will be a good fit or a surprise this year?

I think Boogie might be a better fit in Bowen's defense in the 3-4 DE role.  Wink tended to sub out his DEs (for an edge, second DT, or another DB).  It's possible Boogie could be the DE (with Thibs or Burns being the other DE) and on obvious passing downs you have Burns and Thibs as the DEs

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 01, 2024, 02:17:19 PMI think Boogie might be a better fit in Bowen's defense in the 3-4 DE role.  Wink tended to sub out his DEs (for an edge, second DT, or another DB).  It's possible Boogie could be the DE (with Thibs or Burns being the other DE) and on obvious passing downs you have Burns and Thibs as the DEs

It will be interesting to see if this new defense generates more pressure also

Quote from: Trench on May 01, 2024, 02:20:15 PMIt will be interesting to see if this new defense generates more pressure also

From what I have heard, Bowen prefers to try and generate his pressure from his front four, while Wink likes to generate it via blitzes and extra rushers.   So in theory we should see more production from the D-line and edge players

Quote from: Trench on May 01, 2024, 02:20:15 PMIt will be interesting to see if this new defense generates more pressure also

Good point.  For all the talk of Wink's aggressiveness the Giants were bottom 5 in sacks.  OTOH, the Giants were 1st in takeaways so maybe it was a case of getting pressure, without a sack, that created the turnover.  I'm also very interested to see of Bowen can make an improvement in their abysmal run defense.