Big Blue Huddle

I do not condemn any opinions on this topic.  Although, in my head, I am taking notes on who says what, and when the situation is decided, there will be clear winners and losers in terms of reputation.    As for my opinion on the topic, I really don't know how it will play out.  From my research, I am not overly impressed with Lock to date (I wasn't that impressed when he was coming out, either).   Still, there are many unknowns regarding DJ's recovery from the ACL and how quickly or if he can overcome being shell-shocked (as he was last season).    With so much uncertainty, I will refrain from making a prediction.


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Meh, I've seen enough of Lock to know he isn't a starter in the NFL. If he beats out Jones we'll be in line for a top three pick, which might not be a bad thing for the franchise.

It's a popular topic to get clicks and attention. I think the financial aspect of the injury guarantee in Jones's contract is going to (quietly) be a very important factor in how this shakes out.

Let's Drew the line here, okay? He's insurance in case DJ gets hurt (very possible). I think he has improved from his Denver days..but meh.

The next qb is out there..somewhere..we hope.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on May 07, 2024, 11:00:57 AMIt's a popular topic to get clicks and attention. I think the financial aspect of the injury guarantee in Jones's contract is going to (quietly) be a very important factor in how this shakes out.

If the Giants have an earlier exit from playoff contention, no doubt.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 07, 2024, 11:18:14 AMIf the Giants have an earlier exit from playoff contention, no doubt.

I think if that happens a lot more will change than the QB.  It will be tough for Daboll to keep things under control if they have another 2-8 start to a season. 

So don't believe Schoen when he says Jones will be the QB this year?

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 07, 2024, 01:43:22 PMSo don't believe Schoen when he says Jones will be the QB this year?

Schoen: "Our expectation was Daniel would be our starter and we brought Drew Lock to be his backup and Tommy is a backup, so that's where we are and that's how we'll move forward this season. Daniel is still under contract for three more years. As it sits today, that's where we are."

Daboll: "My expectation is that Wink and Kafka will both be back. ... There are still conversations to be had."

It's clear that Daboll / Schoen have a much higher opinion of DJ's abilities than the majority of the fan base. So it's not likely that Lock will be a legit threat to win the job early.

But, there are several reasons why it could - or maybe even should - happen over time.

1. DJ should have a short leash if he continues to "see ghosts," is unwilling to take shots down the field, takes unnecessary sacks, turns the ball over too much, etc.

2. DJ should have a short leash if he shows that he's not recovered from his ACL or if he plays scared due to his neck injury.

3. DJ should have a short leash due to the injury provisions in his contract.

#1 is the least likely, for the reasons above re: Daboll / Schoen's opinion. #3 is probably next least likely, as the Giants have typically avoided morally questionable practices relative to their players. So it leaves #2. I could see them pulling him in favor of Lock if he just doesn't look healthy. Let's pray that it doesn't happen due to another injury.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 07, 2024, 02:12:30 PMIt's clear that Daboll / Schoen have a much higher opinion of DJ's abilities than the majority of the fan base. So it's not likely that Lock will be a legit threat to win the job early.

I'm curious how you can say this with authority when we have numerous instances of Daboll showing and voicing frustration with Jones (sideline and post-game comments, respectively), Schoen built an out into Jones's contract after 2 years, and Schoen literally just tried to trade up for Maye? I'd even somewhat agree with your second statement, but it's difficult for me to get on board with your conclusions given that I think the inputs are at odds with what has transpired over last season and this past draft cycle.

If they had said something different, you wouldn't have started this thread- and don't they know it.

Cheers!

Quote from: Painter on May 07, 2024, 02:17:25 PMIf they had said something different, you wouldn't have started this thread- and don't they know it.

Cheers!

In all fairness to Emory Hunt, he has been down on Daniel Jones since he was drafted.  So his latest comments are, at the very least, consistent.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 07, 2024, 02:21:45 PMIn all fairness to Emory Hunt, he has been down on Daniel Jones since he was drafted.  So his latest comments are, at the very least, consistent.

So what? He's accomplished his task and so have you. What does fairness have to do with it? You mean he's not one who tries to read fan's fickle minds and then not go with the flow?

Cheers!

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on May 07, 2024, 02:16:58 PMI'm curious how you can say this with authority when we have numerous instances of Daboll showing and voicing frustration with Jones (sideline and post-game comments, respectively), Schoen built an out into Jones's contract after 2 years, and Schoen literally just tried to trade up for Maye? I'd even somewhat agree with your second statement, but it's difficult for me to get on board with your conclusions given that I think the inputs are at odds with what has transpired over last season and this past draft cycle.

That's fair. But they gave him a contact extension. Yes, there's an out to give them flexibility, but they would not have signed him if they didn't think they could win with him. And signing a guy who has started 5 games in the last 3 seasons doesn't change things, IMO.

And yes, the rumors of trading up for Maye are telling. But what does it really say? That they really liked Maye? Yes. But not necessarily that they don't like DJ. Had that been the case, then they would have drafted JJ at 6 or tried to trade down for him, Penix or Nix if they were really low on DJ. I don't think we can call really liking a guy (Maye) an indictment of DJ when they didn't feel the need to draft any of the other 3 first round QBs available.

And I don't consider Daboll bitching a sign of anything. That's his m.o. LOL

Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 07, 2024, 02:36:07 PMThat's fair. But they gave him a contact extension. Yes, there's an out to give them flexibility, but they would not have signed him if they didn't think they could win with him. And signing a guy who has started 5 games in the last 3 seasons doesn't change things, IMO.

And yes, the rumors of trading up for Maye are telling. But what does it really say? That they really liked Maye? Yes. But not necessarily that they don't like DJ. Had that been the case, then they would have drafted JJ at 6 or tried to trade down for him, Penix or Nix if they were really low on DJ. I don't think we can call really liking a guy (Maye) an indictment of DJ when they didn't feel the need to draft any of the other 3 first round QBs available.

And I don't consider Daboll bitching a sign of anything. That's his m.o. LOL

Fair enough. I just think there's plenty of smoke to the fire that Schoen and Co. aren't all-that-high on DJ. I think they were hoping he had a 2023 campaign that got them there. But that obviously didn't happen. And if they were picking in the top-3 this past season, the heir apparent would already be on the roster. Based on that, I can't see the rest of their draft decision-making as an endorsement of DJ, but a criticism of the rest of the roster and the desperate need to find difference-makers for the future QB. I do agree though that I don't see Lock as much competition (though I've not looked very closely at the subject), but rather a backup with starting experience.