Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Uncle Mickey on May 08, 2024, 12:50:43 PMMacAdoo was itching to get Geno playing over Eli so anything can happen when you are not the regime that drafted said QB.

Apart from that, I think DJ would beat out Lock if they are on level playing ground.

A lot of the outrage over the Giants breaking Eli's consecutive starting streak was due to the quarterback starting in Eli's place, Geno Smith.  I wonder if how Geno has played with the Seahawks the past two seasons might have some people reconsidering the outrage over starting Geno Smith.

Ben McAdoo has his shortcomings, but he seems to have a pretty good handle on QB assessments, or at least as well as anyone, since it's a bit of an inexact science.

Quote from: Trench on May 08, 2024, 09:33:12 AMLike it or not, our (not one but TWO) backup QBs played markedly better than the 40 million dollar man. People will say that is because we were missing Andrew Thomas. One person doesn't make a team. The argument would hold some weight if not for the fact TWO backups played much much better and even beat an inter division rival.

Jones faced the early part of the schedule. Their losses were to: Cowboys, 49ers, Seattle, Dolphins and the Bills. Everyone knew the Giants weren't winning those games. Taylor and DeVito played the softer part of the schedule.

You also said "one person doesn't make a team". This statement is usually correct but it really depends on what position and who the replacement was. Thomas was out but his replacement Ezeudu was totally overmatched at left tackle. The early schedule also included the rookie OLs starting when they clearly weren't ready. As the season went on, Thomas returned and the rookie OLs matured. Bredeson , who was awful, was replaced by Pugh. Even Aikman and Buck stated that "Jones never had a chance". Which he didn't with only 1.7 seconds until the pocket totally collapsed.

Taylor and DeVito faced the softer part of the schedule and both played behind better offensive line play than Jones had to deal with.


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Quote from: Trench on May 08, 2024, 12:47:59 PMThis board has extreme bias going both ways for and against Jones. It is far from a one way ticket.

And that is ok. We are all just fans.

Sorry, while I understand why you might choose to suggest it, I don't agree. We are not all just fans when there are those among us who, rather than root for the team's success, feel compelled to make every relentless effort to demean someone like Daniel Jones despite being fully aware, as are we all, of the uncertainty regarding his future and with it both the challenge and consequences involved for all concerned. For such people here, it is both meanspirited and gratuitous and hardly reflects that of a true Giants fan.

Cheers!

Nah. They like Jones too much to not start him.

Do I think Lock will have to replace Jones at some point in the regular season? Yes.

Quote from: Painter on May 08, 2024, 01:43:12 PMSorry, while I understand why you might choose to suggest it, I don't agree. We are not all just fans when there are those among us who, rather than root for the team's success, feel compelled to make every relentless effort to demean someone like Daniel Jones despite being fully aware, as are we all, of the uncertainty regarding his future and with it both the challenge and consequences involved for all concerned. For such people here, it is both meanspirited and gratuitous and hardly reflects that of a true Giants fan.

Cheers!

My point being - I don't agree with you either. And that is ok.

However you should be a little nicer and not state as fact anyone not holding the same opinion of you doesn't "reflect that of a true Giants fan"....that is simply not true and is beneath what this board is all about. I would hope the moderators and the owner would agree.

Quote from: todge on May 08, 2024, 01:36:46 PMJones faced the early part of the schedule. Their losses were to: Cowboys, 49ers, Seattle, Dolphins and the Bills. Everyone knew the Giants weren't winning those games.

I respectfully beg to differ. Last August there were people on this board arguing that the Giants were going to be "something special this year." I don't think any of those folks, or even a number who were less emphatic but still cautiously optimistic, would have told you last August that the Giant would go 0-5 in those five games.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 08, 2024, 05:33:06 PMI respectfully beg to differ. Last August there were people on this board arguing that the Giants were going to be "something special this year." I don't think any of those folks, or even a number who were less emphatic but still cautiously optimistic, would have told you last August that the Giant would go 0-5 in those five games.

Selective amnesia. Remember how great Jones and Waller looked in the five minutes they played in the pre season?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 08, 2024, 05:33:06 PMI respectfully beg to differ. Last August there were people on this board arguing that the Giants were going to be "something special this year." I don't think any of those folks, or even a number who were less emphatic but still cautiously optimistic, would have told you last August that the Giant would go 0-5 in those five games.

I think for many of us, the 1st game was a slap back to reality.  It would have been one thing to lose,  but to look completely outclassed was a different story. 

Quote from: Trench on May 08, 2024, 12:47:59 PMThis board has extreme bias going both ways for and against Jones. It is far from a one way ticket.

And that is ok. We are all just fans.

Bias is fine.  Except when it causes you to ignore facts, like the difference between a bad group of receivers and the 7th ranked group of receivers. 

Quote from: todge on May 08, 2024, 01:36:46 PMJones faced the early part of the schedule. Their losses were to: Cowboys, 49ers, Seattle, Dolphins and the Bills. Everyone knew the Giants weren't winning those games. Taylor and DeVito played the softer part of the schedule.

You also said "one person doesn't make a team". This statement is usually correct but it really depends on what position and who the replacement was. Thomas was out but his replacement Ezeudu was totally overmatched at left tackle. The early schedule also included the rookie OLs starting when they clearly weren't ready. As the season went on, Thomas returned and the rookie OLs matured. Bredeson , who was awful, was replaced by Pugh. Even Aikman and Buck stated that "Jones never had a chance". Which he didn't with only 1.7 seconds until the pocket totally collapsed.

Taylor and DeVito faced the softer part of the schedule and both played behind better offensive line play than Jones had to deal with.


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Oh, but @todge, context doesn't matter.   

Quote from: uconnjack8 on May 08, 2024, 06:25:39 PMI think for many of us, the 1st game was a slap back to reality.  It would have been one thing to lose,  but to look completely outclassed was a different story. 

Yup. That game was a complete fiasco. One of the worst performances in franchise history if not the worst. We looked like an expansion team going up against the defending SB champs in that game. Even worse than that, actually. More like a college team playing a good NFL team.

We were only a 2 or 3 point underdog in that game too, and many people were backing the Giants.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 08, 2024, 05:33:06 PMI respectfully beg to differ. Last August there were people on this board arguing that the Giants were going to be "something special this year." I don't think any of those folks, or even a number who were less emphatic but still cautiously optimistic, would have told you last August that the Giant would go 0-5 in those five games.

Hi Dave,

This is not to challenge you in any way, but I do remember there were quite a few posters saying that the Giants could actually be a better team in 2023, but their record may actually be worse.

The reason why they were saying that was because the first six games of the season were absolutely brutal, and they were.

The schedule didn't begin to soften until week seven.

By the way this doesn't justify the poor record that they had, or the year, so please carry on.

Will the 2024 Giants, opening day, be "better" (NOTE: quantify "better" as you please) than the opening day 2023 Giants, and why?

Now, how does that play into answering the original question posed in this thread?

Discuss, please.

Peace!

Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 08, 2024, 07:26:52 PMBias is fine.  Except when it causes you to ignore facts, like the difference between a bad group of receivers and the 7th ranked group of receivers. 

Then you do you, but it doesn't help when some here disrespect dissenting though and it happens frequently. I called it out earlier and nobody even responded. Speaks volumes. Facts have been stated on both sides but many just refuse to accept it. To each his own. Time will tell.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 08, 2024, 05:33:06 PMI respectfully beg to differ. Last August there were people on this board arguing that the Giants were going to be "something special this year." I don't think any of those folks, or even a number who were less emphatic but still cautiously optimistic, would have told you last August that the Giant would go 0-5 in those five games.

I remember most fans were less than thrilled at the killer row the Giants opened with.  I think most were hoping to come out of that stretch maybe 2-3 or, at best, 3-2 (this was considered a longshot).