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 some people put so much stock in what and how PFF ranks people, so here's their opinion of our new and rebuilt OL.

Last in the NFL

https://pff.com/news/nfl-strongest-weakest-position-groups-free-agency-2024-nfl-draft?

Good news for DJ. Another year of slack.

Color me shocked that the first response in a thread about the OL and their expected performance is a dig at DJ.

Like Swiss clockwork.

PFF might actually be right about something in this case.

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 13, 2024, 08:40:35 PMhttps://pff.com/news/nfl-strongest-weakest-position-groups-free-agency-2024-nfl-draft?

Good news for DJ. Another year of slack.

Not sure in what universe DJ would consider this good news:


Weakest: New York Giants
Even after earning the worst offensive line grade of any team in 2023, the Giants did very little to improve their unit this offseason. The group recorded a 44.6 PFF grade last year and will hope a fully healthy Andrew Thomas and the additions of guard Jon Runyan (56.5 PFF grade in 2023) and tackle Jermaine Eluemunor (68.7) can provide a boost.


DJ's suffered more than his fair share of injuries thanks to a long series of poor O-line protection.  Hell, last year, three quarterbacks started for NYG and three QB were injured playing behind that line

Quote from: y_so_blu on May 13, 2024, 10:36:51 PMPFF might actually be right about something in this case.

PFF tends to be right more than it's wrong.   PFF is not perfect, but it's a reasonable measure of player performance (or at least a good supplement).  It's also helpful for positions where there are few quality stats.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 14, 2024, 08:46:33 AMPFF tends to be right more than it's wrong.   PFF is not perfect, but it's a reasonable measure of player performance (or at least a good supplement).  It's also helpful for positions where there are few quality stats.

Ranking an Offensive Line before the season is ridiculous. Especially since this Giants line has at least two players who have never played together, the sophomore season for the center, and undecided on who will be at RT. They're doing the PFF grades and coming up with an average. Let's see how this Unit plays together first. Although, I'm not personally satisfied that they didn't draft a Guard this year. Until they finally fix that line, Daniel Jones will not thrive. I doubt Lock would too. They didn't take a chance on finding an elite QB because they believed in Jones. Let's hope this Unit jells. Either way, Jones is destined to be here in 2025.   

They signed 4 free agent guards with flex plus 2 blocking TEs and drafted another.

JMS in year 2 plus what is really year 2 for Neal with a new oline coach and there's no way they aren't better.

I'm not saying elite or even great but could easily see us being 18th at the end of 2024 with our additions.

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 14, 2024, 09:23:18 AMRanking an Offensive Line before the season is ridiculous. Especially since this Giants line has at least two players who have never played together, the sophomore season for the center, and undecided on who will be at RT. They're doing the PFF grades and coming up with an average. Let's see how this Unit plays together first. Although, I'm not personally satisfied that they didn't draft a Guard this year. Until they finally fix that line, Daniel Jones will not thrive. I doubt Lock would too. They didn't take a chance on finding an elite QB because they believed in Jones. Let's hope this Unit jells. Either way, Jones is destined to be here in 2025. 

For years, the Giants have substituted hope for plans when it comes to the O-line, and unfortunately, this year is no different.  The Giants hope Evan Neal can significantly improve (at least they have Eluemunor if Neal fails).  The Giants hope JMS can play significantly better than he did last season.  The Giants hope they can find a quality second guard to team with Runyan.

If hope succeeds and the new O-line coach proves to be a difference maker, this unit has a ceiling of average to high average.  Should it turn out that Bobby Johnson was unfairly blamed or both Neal and JMS don't significantly improve, this unit could be at or near the bottom again (especially if injury-prone Thomas misses significant time).

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 14, 2024, 09:29:12 AMThey signed 4 free agent guards with flex plus 2 blocking TEs and drafted another.

JMS in year 2 plus what is really year 2 for Neal with a new oline coach and there's no way they aren't better.

I'm not saying elite or even great but could easily see us being 18th at the end of 2024 with our additions.

That seems like a realistic ceiling

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 14, 2024, 08:45:11 AMNot sure in what universe DJ would consider this good news:


Weakest: New York Giants
Even after earning the worst offensive line grade of any team in 2023, the Giants did very little to improve their unit this offseason. The group recorded a 44.6 PFF grade last year and will hope a fully healthy Andrew Thomas and the additions of guard Jon Runyan (56.5 PFF grade in 2023) and tackle Jermaine Eluemunor (68.7) can provide a boost.


DJ's suffered more than his fair share of injuries thanks to a long series of poor O-line protection.  Hell, last year, three quarterbacks started for NYG and three QB were injured playing behind that line

PFF = Click bait

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 14, 2024, 08:46:33 AMPFF tends to be right more than it's wrong.   PFF is not perfect, but it's a reasonable measure of player performance (or at least a good supplement).  It's also helpful for positions where there are few quality stats.

The only hope is that the o-line is the one position group where sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, eg, the 2008 Giants o-line.

But it puts into perspective all of the chatter here about the line improving to average this year.  Maybe they will, but I will have to see it to believe it.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 14, 2024, 10:42:48 AMThe only hope is that the o-line is the one position group where sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, eg, the 2008 Giants o-line.

But it puts into perspective all of the chatter here about the line improving to average this year.  Maybe they will, but I will have to see it to believe it.

To this end, I don't know if it was pushed by Bobby Johnson or Brian Daboll, but the focus on position versatility rather than unit cohesion seems counter-productive

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 13, 2024, 08:40:35 PMhttps://pff.com/news/nfl-strongest-weakest-position-groups-free-agency-2024-nfl-draft?

Good news for DJ. Another year of slack.

More like another year for the detractors to ignore the offensive context in which DJ has had to operate in for his whole career.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 14, 2024, 09:29:12 AMJMS in year 2 plus what is really year 2 for Neal with a new oline coach and there's no way they aren't better.

Oh trust me, there is way.