Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: T200 on May 15, 2024, 01:53:44 PMSorry, still don't buy that this flyer without Jones will generate more revenue, since you say that's the bottom line, than it would with him.

They don't know who the starting QB will be.

Quote from: T200 on May 15, 2024, 01:53:44 PMSorry, still don't buy that this flyer without Jones will generate more revenue, since you say that's the bottom line, than it would with him.

Tim,
Can I ask you a few questions, which I hope will better articulate my point?

1. Do yo believe the Giants have an extensive marketing department?
2. Do you believe the Giants conducted research pertaining to the players the fanbase was most excited about, which coupled with thier internal data (e.g. jersey sales, media request, etc) allowed them to glean who thier most marketable players are?
3. If you believe 2 occurred, isn't it logical to place the players that polled/rated the highest on the marquee?

Also, to Ed's point, the Giants would look foolish to promote DJ, only to go in a different direction early in the season. 

From my perspective, I just have a hard time believing a multi-billion dollar organization randomly chose three players to promote without doing extensive research.   

Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 02:03:27 PMTim,
Can I ask you a few questions, which I hope will better articulate my point?

1. Do yo believe the Giants have an extensive marketing department?
2. Do you believe the Giants conducted research pertaining to the players the fanbase was most excited about, which coupled with thier internal data (e.g. jersey sales, media request, etc) allowed them to glean who thier most marketable players are?
3. If you believe 2 occurred, isn't it logic to place the players that polled/rated the highest on the marquee?

From my perspective, I just have a hard time believing a multi-billion dollar organization randomly chose three players to promote without doing extensive research.   

Well, that same marketing department thought it was a good idea to give fans a soda for fan appreciation day, so there's that.

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 15, 2024, 01:59:15 PMThey don't know who the starting QB will be.

That's a *little* more plausibe. Little.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 15, 2024, 02:06:36 PMWell, that same marketing department thought it was a good idea to give fans a soda for fan appreciation day, so there's that.

    

Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 02:03:27 PMTim,
Can I ask you a few questions, which I hope will better articulate my point?

1. Do yo believe the Giants have an extensive marketing department?
2. Do you believe the Giants conducted research pertaining to the players the fanbase was most excited about, which coupled with thier internal data (e.g. jersey sales, media request, etc) allowed them to glean who thier most marketable players are?
3. If you believe 2 occurred, isn't it logical to place the players that polled/rated the highest on the marquee?

Also, to Ed's point, the Giants would look foolish to promote DJ, only to go in a different direction early in the season. 

From my perspective, I just have a hard time believing a multi-billion dollar organization randomly chose three players to promote without doing extensive research.   

No.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 15, 2024, 02:06:36 PMWell, that same marketing department thought it was a good idea to give fans a soda for fan appreciation day, so there's that.

That was more than likely thier public affairs aperture and not marketing...those are two completely separate sections. 

Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 02:03:27 PMTim,
Can I ask you a few questions, which I hope will better articulate my point?

1. Do yo believe the Giants have an extensive marketing department?
2. Do you believe the Giants conducted research pertaining to the players the fanbase was most excited about, which coupled with thier internal data (e.g. jersey sales, media request, etc) allowed them to glean who thier most marketable players are?
3. If you believe 2 occurred, isn't it logical to place the players that polled/rated the highest on the marquee?

Also, to Ed's point, the Giants would look foolish to promote DJ, only to go in a different direction early in the season. 

From my perspective, I just have a hard time believing a multi-billion dollar organization randomly chose three players to promote without doing extensive research.   

     

Just felt like messing with you!     

1) Yes
2) Not sure
3) If #2 were true, I have a hard time believing fans are looking forward to seeing WDR than they are Nabers. In terms of popularity, as polarizing as Jones is, I think he has enough of a following that will easily eclipse the WanDale Robinson fan club.

Quote from: T200 on May 15, 2024, 02:11:29 PM     

Just felt like messing with you!     

1) Yes
2) Not sure
3) If #2 were true, I have a hard time believing fans are looking forward to seeing WDR than they are Nabers. In terms of popularity, as polarizing as Jones is, I think he has enough of a following that will easily eclipse the WanDale Robinson fan club.

I did get a chuckle...you know I respect and appreciate what you do!  We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. 

I don't see the problem. It was well reported that the Giants tried to trade up for the QB of the future.

With that being said, does anyone think Jones is the "face of the franchise"?

I don't see the issue here.

Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 02:15:39 PMI did get a chuckle...you know I respect and appreciate what you do!  We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. 

All good my man! 

Quote from: T200 on May 15, 2024, 02:06:55 PMThat's a *little* more plausibe. Little.

Wouldn't Jones throwing to Nabors and Hyatt make for an exciting promotion. The team is struggling to find an identity and this was the best they could do.

The veiled conspiracy theory would be who will the starting QB be for the NY Giants when the media is dropping hints of a competition between two struggling passers.

Quote from: T200 on May 15, 2024, 02:17:03 PM

All good my man! 

The day we all agree, we can close shop.

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 15, 2024, 02:20:18 PMWouldn't Jones throwing to Nabors and Hyatt make for an exciting promotion. The team is struggling to find an identity and this was the best they could do.

The veiled conspiracy theory would be who will the starting QB be for the NY Giants when the media is dropping hints of a competition between two struggling passers.

And add Singletary as well. There's a new 26 in town.

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 15, 2024, 01:59:15 PMThey don't know who the starting QB will be.

We didn't know who the starting QB was in 1977 either! The very limited Giants' NFL Properties at the time only featured #10. Great! Which QB was #10? NO! You don't get it, #10 was Brad Van Pelt, our star LB!!!

The Giants shipped Craig Morton to Denver in exchange for Steve Ramsey. They signed Dennis Shaw in 1976. They also signed three kids, Jerry Golsteyn, Randy Dean and the infamous "Patterson Plank" Joe (whose name shall not be mentioned on this board lest one wish an ugly encounter with the "Tru-Blu fan," the tall, dark handsome, now retired CBS engineer parked in front of the Gevalia Urn sipping today's light-roast special). The ugly disaster of six pre-season games in 1977 revealed quickly that neither Shaw nor Ramsey were up for the Giants' QB gig, and that John McVay would go into the season with the three kids with zero (0) NFL experience between them.

Perhaps they didn't know any better, or maybe Frank Gifford's Hall of Fame halftime ceremony charged up the troops, but the Giants, led by Golsteyn, kept pace with George Allen's Redskins all day. George Martin returned an INT for a TD, but the Giants still trailed late in the final quarter. But the Giants' Defense generated a fumble, which they recovered, and "The Beak," Joe Danelo, booted the kick straight and true for the winner and Giants Stadium rocked. Forget those Cowboys and Steelers #12 jerseys, we now have our own #12 hero! Right! Right? Uh, right, everyone, uh, hey, give it up for the "Steen" guys and gals! Where'd everyone go? They went down to Dallas next week where #12 in the blue jersey was squashed like a bug on a windshield by this huge player in a white jersey with the #79 on it (i.e. Harvey Martin). The Giants had a left tackle issue back then; Gordon Gravelle was completely overmatched and the results were very similar to last year's season opener. Golsteyn (#12) was injured and in came our fearless leader from New Mexico State, #9 himself. He didn't fare much better but, at least to his credit, he tossed up a wing and a prayer that became the Giants only "Hail Mary" that was answered that day in a 41-21 whooping in Big D.

So, the point is that this discussion made me chuckle, a little, because it brought back memories from the 1990s as well as the 1970s. You want the QB on the Germany poster? Just be glad we have a poster at all! Sometimes you have to be grateful for even the little things.

Peace!