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https://x.com/kylelauletta/status/1791456383965032470

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 17, 2024, 11:45:32 AMhttps://x.com/kylelauletta/status/1791456383965032470

And, like the cop knows exactly who is in the car and what weapons they MIGHT have. It may seem like an ordinary traffic stop to some, but maybe the officer cares to come home to his wife and kids and wants to be extra careful.

I think any cop's job is difficult enough then to have people, whomever, not obey their orders.

100% misinterpreted by cop.  Scheffler has zero bad bones

Has Lauletta ever acknowledged that as a 4th round rookie QB, you should probably arrive to work EARLY??... which means leaving for work with plenty of time to spare. The reporting at the time said this kid had an issue arriving late to practice. He knew he was on thin ice, which is why he probably panicked when he was once again running late.

I like Scottie Scheffler and think he's a genuinely good guy, but this could have been avoided by simply complying with the initial instructions.

There were better ways for both sides to have handled it. In any case, no biggie! Except, apparently, for insurance salesman Kyle Lauletta, who 5 years ago, Gettleman wrongly guessed might be worth more than 5 pass attempts for 0 yards and a pick, and I don't just mean The Pick he wasted in the 4th Round. 

Cheers!

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 18, 2024, 11:35:44 AMI like Scottie Scheffler and think he's a genuinely good guy, but this could have been avoided by simply complying with the initial instructions.

He didn't know there had been a fatal accident and it is routine for players to bypass cars lined up to get in.  I'm sympathetic to his situation because years ago I come up on a scene where there were lanes closed, detours, and contradictory 'Keep Left' and 'Keep Right' signs and  I was confused and found myself in the wrong place.  I got screamed at by one of the construction guys.  But they're the ones that created the confusing situation.

That said, what kind of idiot tries to stop a car by grabbing on to it.  The overcharging was ridiculous.  And it is to Scoottie's credit that he had the mental strength to birdie his first hole and go on to shoot 66 to be t4 after the round.  And WHY wasn't the cops' bodycams turned on? 

Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 18, 2024, 01:07:27 PMHe didn't know there had been a fatal accident and it is routine for players to bypass cars lined up to get in.  I'm sympathetic to his situation because years ago I come up on a scene where there were lanes closed, detours, and contradictory 'Keep Left' and 'Keep Right' signs and  I was confused and found myself in the wrong place.  I got screamed at by one of the construction guys.  But they're the ones that created the confusing situation.

That said, what kind of idiot tries to stop a car by grabbing on to it.  The overcharging was ridiculous.  And it is to Scoottie's credit that he had the mental strength to birdie his first hole and go on to shoot 66 to be t4 after the round.  And WHY wasn't the cops' bodycams turned on? 

Yeah I wasn't saying the cop(s) did a good job here. Clearly that wasn't the case. More just that this incident could have easily been avoided. Bottom line, even if this cop was an idiot, Scheffler still put his foot on the gas after being told to stop. I would say that was a momentary lapse in judgment on his part. So was driving an extra 15 yards (per eyewitness Jeff Darlington) when the guy had (stupidly, I agree) "attached himself" to the car.

Stuff happens though, and this isn't the end of the world. If this is the worst mistake he has ever made in his life then he is probably in the 99.8th percentile of most virtuous people in the world.

Louisville cops should ask for apology and drop it.

Quote from: Philosophers on May 18, 2024, 02:17:54 PMLouisville cops should ask for apology and drop it.

Scottie's lawyer says that if they don't drop the charges they will go to trial.  And based on what he said, the apology should go in the other direction.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 18, 2024, 02:24:54 PMScottie's lawyer says that if they don't drop the charges they will go to trial.  And based on what he said, the apology should go in the other direction.

That's just to give them something.

 When I was a youngster, if a cop ever asked, or commanded us to do something, we did it automatically, not asking why, who, how, or because. Isn't that how most confrontations start between civilians and the police?
I am also not saying this isn't some rogue cop, but as a civilian do you really want to get into a situation where the cop may fear for his life and fire his weapon, even if it isn't warranted? We have seen this too many times where innocent people who did not obey a police officer's command, get shot. We do not know what is going thru the policeman's mind at that moment, so why be stupid and take an unnecessary risk?
People are saying how nice a guy Scottie is, really what does that mean to a policeman when he orders you to do something and you feel why to bother, I'm Scottie so and so.
The policeman may have been dead wrong, but you still need to obey their commands or face the consequences.

Quote from: LennG on May 18, 2024, 07:34:28 PMWhen I was a youngster, if a cop ever asked, or commanded us to do something, we did it automatically, not asking why, who, how, or because. Isn't that how most confrontations start between civilians and the police?
I am also not saying this isn't some rogue cop, but as a civilian do you really want to get into a situation where the cop may fear for his life and fire his weapon, even if it isn't warranted? We have seen this too many times where innocent people who did not obey a police officer's command, get shot. We do not know what is going thru the policeman's mind at that moment, so why be stupid and take an unnecessary risk?
People are saying how nice a guy Scottie is, really what does that mean to a policeman when he orders you to do something and you feel why to bother, I'm Scottie so and so.
The policeman may have been dead wrong, but you still need to obey their commands or face the consequences.

A good policeman can make split decisions and manage his emotions and calm things down. A bad one gives an order and beats a person up for hesitating.

Quote from: Philosophers on May 18, 2024, 08:14:02 PMA good policeman can make split decisions and manage his emotions and calm things down. A bad one gives an order and beats a person up for hesitating.

I see many who support the authoritarian view that police must be obeyed without question and that's the end of the story. However, I tend to favor Joe's view. The police represent us as the enforcers of our laws.  They need to be in control of their emotions, and their goal should always be to de-escalate rather than make things worse. 

A minor situation like this should never result in a good man without any criminal inclination being arrested and thrown in jail.   That is not how I (as a member of society) want or believe how our laws should be enforced.


https://golf.com/news/eyewitness-reveals-new-scottie-scheffler-arrest-details/



As Scheffler pulled up to the left of ESPN's vehicle, Wischusen said he and his ESPN colleagues could not see who was at the wheel. Moments later, a police officer "kind of jumped in front" of what the ESPN crew would later learn was a Lexus driven by Scheffler. "He was pretty, you know, enthusiastic, let's say," Wischusen said of Officer Gillis. Wischusen said Gillis beamed his flashlight up and down Scheffler's car and yelled at him with words to the effect of: "Whoa, whoa, whoa, who are you? Where are you going? Get back in line. You're not allowed to come through here."

Wischusen said he couldn't hear any of what Scheffler said to Gillis but that Gillis was "scolding" Scheffler for passing the ESPN vehicle on the left. Wischusen said because the officer and his colleagues were in yellow reflective jackets, it was unclear to him and his colleagues whether they were police or tournament security.   

After Scheffler and the officer's interaction, Wischusen said Scheffler began to pull away. As Darlington described it, at this point Gillis "attached himself" to the car. As Gillis, whose body camera was not activated during the incident, described it, he was "dragged" to the ground by Scheffler's car, which led to "pain, swelling and abrasions to left wrist and knee" and damaging his pants "beyond repair."   

Here's how Wischusen recalls that moment: "When [Scheffler] drove past him, the cop got very angry pursuing the car. ... My impression was he was kind of running alongside chasing the car, and maybe he tripped and fell. I mean, there was kind of an outcropping or medium, you know, by the front gate. And keep in mind, it was raining. It was 6 o'clock in the morning. It was dark."

Asked about Darlington's characterization of the officer "attaching" himself to the car, Wischusen said, "I could see him stumble, but I did not have a very clear view of exactly how you want to categorize his contact with the car."

Wischusen said Scheffler was moving at a relatively slow speed — "the speed that you would drive a car if you were pulling up to the front gate of a place," he said — and before pulling over had driven approximately the 10 or so yards that Darlington had estimated.

When Scheffler stopped the car, Wischusen said Gillis was visibly upset. "He runs up to the driver's side, and with the butt end of his flashlight starts screaming, you know, 'Get out of the car, get out of the car' — banging on the window — 'shut the engine off, get out of the car. I'm a police officer.'"

The driver "peacefully" exited the car, Wischusen said, at which point the officer "put him up against the car and put him in handcuffs." Said Wischusen: "That was when we realized — you know, all the way up until then we're like, oh my God, whoever is in this car, there's about to be an arrest of some sort. And then it was, 'Oh my God, it's Scottie Scheffler."

https://golf.com/news/eyewitness-reveals-new-scottie-scheffler-arrest-details/

 That is ONE side of the story, I have not heard the police officer's side. Why do certain people always believe the one side that sort of suits their agenda?

Anyway, still doesn't answer why whoever didn't obey the command of the officer, no matter how silly, stupid, or irrelevant.
Great, you may be in the right, but you also could be injured or even shot dead because you have no idea what is going thru the officer's mind at that particular moment.

Do you look both ways crossing a street even if you have the right of way? Do you really believe every car will stop because you are in a crosswalk and the law says cars must stop? You could be 100% in the right, but you will also be injured or dead.

No matter how silly, stupid, or whatever a police officer's command may be, you, as a citizen, are required to obey it and THEN sort if out.