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I was watching some of the podcasts and heated and this was mentioned a few times.

Take the Qb out of it, no matter if it's Jones, Lock, or Devito will Nabers produce regardless of the Qb?

How much?

OROY?

Garrett Wilson went for 1042 yards despite having no one to throw him the ball. So is Nabers that talented that he'll get production no matter what?

The only 2 things holding me back from saying yes is the fact that our offense lacks the deep/intermediate routes that help production and that it seems like no matter what Slayton does his production is always capped at 700 and our 2nd wr at 500.

As long as DJ and Nabers both stay healthy, and with how explosive he is, I think we are looking at a 1,000-1,500-yard season for him.

He is too special of a talent, and DJ will target him a lot, which will improve his stats as well.

But this is just my opinion.

Time will tell

He's not so special that if the OL only allows a very short amount of time before a QB gets hit that he will be effective.  NFL CBs can tie him early for a split second to screw up any effectiveness.  It's about the OL. 

We're about to find out!

No good reason to think not except for those with a still vacuous agenda.

Cheers!

Then I guess all the beat writers and guys covering the Giants have an agenda then because they've all been discussing this very question.

Quote from: Philosophers on May 21, 2024, 10:24:06 AMHe's not so special that if the OL only allows a very amount of time before a QB gets hit that he will be effective.  NFL CBs can tie him early for a split second to screw up any effectiveness.  It's about the OL. 

Yeah I think the context in which the question was asked by different guys was asked so in a way to determine how special the beat writers and talking heads think Nabors can be.

Like is he Garrett Wilson or a Larry Fitzgerald who produced regardless of who was around him or does he need that pairing.

As much as a great qb sometimes needs a great Wr to be elite the same can be said for the Wr. Some though produce regardless and I think it's a little premature to even really know at this point before practices have really even started.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 21, 2024, 11:38:37 AMThen I guess all the beat writers and guys covering the Giants have an agenda then because they've all been discussing this very question.

Having a vacuous biased agenda hardly depends on beat writer and other media discussions, now does it?

Cheers!

Initially, IMO he'll "improve" the production of the other WR's lined up with him more than hit home runs himself.

After he figures out the pro game and how/where he fits in (hopefully by game four) he'll start to show his stuff.

Only a super-blue-chip player will make much noise in the first four games, so I'm giving him some leeway.

Bob

PS. Don't get too pumped up if he looks great in the preseason... they'll try their best to make that happen but IMO it probably won't translate into the regular season for a while.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 21, 2024, 09:46:37 AMI was watching some of the podcasts and heated and this was mentioned a few times.

Take the Qb out of it, no matter if it's Jones, Lock, or Devito will Nabers produce regardless of the Qb?

How much?

OROY?

Garrett Wilson went for 1042 yards despite having no one to throw him the ball. So is Nabers that talented that he'll get production no matter what?

The only 2 things holding me back from saying yes is the fact that our offense lacks the deep/intermediate routes that help production and that it seems like no matter what Slayton does his production is always capped at 700 and our 2nd wr at 500.

This is a good topic. I think the Garrett Wilson numbers represent a reasonable floor for Nabers with a bad QB situation. At least I hope that's the case.

Watching Wilson, the talent is undeniable. But he doesn't have the type of impact you want to see from an elite WR (no fault of his own).

I'm hoping Nabers's YAC production will elevate him to the next tier in terms of production and impact.

Quote from: Painter on May 21, 2024, 12:33:22 PMHaving a vacuous biased agenda hardly depends on beat writer and other media discussions, now does it?

Cheers!

What agenda could possibly served discussing how Nabers will fair as a rookie when you take the qb out of the conversation which I did at the beginning of the post?

Nabers' after the catch skills are QB proof... but his ability to stress the defense at multiple levels is not (and requires the QB and/or OL to adjust and improve).

Quote from: Philosophers on May 21, 2024, 10:24:06 AMHe's not so special that if the OL only allows a very amount of time before a QB gets hit that he will be effective.  NFL CBs can tie him early for a split second to screw up any effectiveness.  It's about the OL. 

Joe, I agree.   The O-line play is more likely to be the limiting factor, than QB.   Even if Jones is ineffective upon his return, they have Lock.

Quote from: Philosophers on May 21, 2024, 10:24:06 AMHe's not so special that if the OL only allows a very short amount of time before a QB gets hit that he will be effective.  NFL CBs can tie him early for a split second to screw up any effectiveness.  It's about the OL. 

Our O line was never good when OBJ was on the Giants. It has been varying degrees of bad since the 2012 season.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 21, 2024, 05:02:36 PMOur O line was never good when OBJ was on the Giants. It has been varying degrees of bad since the 2012 season.

But not 85 sacks bad and through the roof pressure rates.

If Nabers gets normal NFL time to run a route, he wins in most cases.