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DANIEL,

Listen up and listen good.  We have never doubted your athletic ability...okay.   Heck, this is a league of professional athletes, they all have athletic ability of varying degrees.

What we do not see and crave to see is you READING the field and making quick sure decisions with the ball.  One read and throw is seldom the norm in the NFL for todays QB.  IMO in the past you have had the first read and if not an option there is some sort of disconnect in making a decision.  Actually I think it takes place (this disconnect) at the snap meaning we get one read and throw OR the chances of anything further being successful are practically nonexistent.

You have a great arm and legs to move the chains when need be. but this is Year SIX.  We need to see polish....poise...something that says you have an accumulated knowledge of how to be an NFL QB, not another Bobby Douglas (see Chicago Bears early 70's).

And start practice looking off the defense please

In communications, there is a 3 to 1 ratio.   The rule says for every negative, you should offset with at least 3 positive comments.  Here at BBH, we have the inverse. For every positive about Daniel Jones, it needs to be offset by at least 2 or 3 negative comments   

He needs to reduce his exposure to getting injured. Daboll needs to pound that into him and also make him work the pocket and eliminate some of the designed running plays and get him to give himself up when he does run or the pocket collapses.

I would love to see him put up 700 yards on the ground again, it's one of his biggest weapons and very difficult for defences to gameplan for. But if RBs struggle (save for AP) coming back from injury, I fear his running will be severely hampered next season.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on June 12, 2024, 06:59:47 AMI would love to see him put up 700 yards on the ground again, it's one of his biggest weapons and very difficult for defences to gameplan for. But if RBs struggle (save for AP) coming back from injury, I fear his running will be severely hampered next season.

I think the running game will hinge on the O-line.  I think the pieces are there (in the running back room) to have a credible running game.  It's just a question of the O-line opening up some holes.

Quote from: MightyGiants on June 12, 2024, 07:20:50 AMI think the running game will hinge on the O-line.  I think the pieces are there (in the running back room) to have a credible running game.  It's just a question of the O-line opening up some holes.

He ran successfully behind poor lines previously, so I'm not sure that the use of his 'athletic ability' (which I read to mean his legs), will have anything to do with the line.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on June 12, 2024, 07:26:02 AMHe ran successfully behind poor lines previously, so I'm not sure that the use of his 'athletic ability' (which I read to mean his legs), will have anything to do with the line.

I was referring to the RB side of thing.  I think much of the yardage DJ put up was the result of a poor blocking rather than good blocking

Quote from: MightyGiants on June 12, 2024, 07:27:31 AMI was referring to the RB side of thing.  I think much of the yardage DJ put up was the result of a poor blocking rather than good blocking

Yes, we are talking about different things.

Nevermind, the return of his athletic ability is a major boon for the offense. Whichever way we view it.

Less running, more looking downfield.

Quote from: Giant Obsession on June 11, 2024, 10:00:24 PMDANIEL,

Listen up and listen good.  We have never doubted your athletic ability...okay.   Heck, this is a league of professional athletes, they all have athletic ability of varying degrees.

What we do not see and crave to see is you READING the field and making quick sure decisions with the ball.  One read and throw is seldom the norm in the NFL for todays QB.  IMO in the past you have had the first read and if not an option there is some sort of disconnect in making a decision.  Actually I think it takes place (this disconnect) at the snap meaning we get one read and throw OR the chances of anything further being successful are practically nonexistent.

You have a great arm and legs to move the chains when need be. but this is Year SIX.  We need to see polish....poise...something that says you have an accumulated knowledge of how to be an NFL QB, not another Bobby Douglas (see Chicago Bears early 70's).

Perhaps DJ could do those things if he actually had time in the pocket. It's funny - many claim the Giants won those two Super Bowls because they put pressure on Brady. Yet if pressure is put on Jones, he's expected to produce anyway.

In 2023, Jones was hit, pressured and sacked over 50 times in the 5.5 games he played. His offensive line at that time (without Thomas) was on pace to set a NFL record for sacks. They don't even measure hits, hurries, pressures etc. Jones had less than two seconds on average in the pocket.

Once again, we talk about how important it is to have a pass rush and make the opposing QB uncomfortable. But yet many ask our QB to rise above that and perform at a high level anyway.


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Quote from: todge on June 12, 2024, 01:21:23 PMPerhaps DJ could do those things if he actually had time in the pocket. It's funny - many claim the Giants won those two Super Bowls because they put pressure on Brady. Yet if pressure is put on Jones, he's expected to produce anyway.

In 2023, Jones was hit, pressured and sacked over 50 times in the 5.5 games he played. His offensive line at that time (without Thomas) was on pace to set a NFL record for sacks. They don't even measure hits, hurries, pressures etc. Jones had less than two seconds on average in the pocket.

Once again, we talk about how important it is to have a pass rush and make the opposing QB uncomfortable. But yet many ask our QB to rise above that and perform at a high level anyway.


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Jones average time to throw was not any worse than most other teams. Yes the offensive line needs some significant work but so does Jones. Normally you would give some leeway to the time to throw average because some of it could be a Qb going deep, but Jones never goes deep so his time to throw has been about league average. In fact since Jones was drafted he has never even thrown half of his passes under 2.5 seconds.

So yes the offensive line needs work obviously but so does Jones on his downfield passes, and reading defenses.

Per Warren Sharp
the easiest time to pass the ball is on 1st down. Daniel Jones ranked #48 of 48 QBs on 1st down efficiency (min 100 att in 2023) just 30% of att were successful
NFL avg is 46%. Even if you remove the sacks he's 47 out of 48.

Graph shows time to throw and accuracy.

So yes the oline needs work, but so does Jones. It's not a playcalling issue as Devito and Taylor went deep significantly more than Jones. So Jones needs work post snap reading defenses, and progressions.

Quote from: todge on June 12, 2024, 01:21:23 PMPerhaps DJ could do those things if he actually had time in the pocket. It's funny - many claim the Giants won those two Super Bowls because they put pressure on Brady. Yet if pressure is put on Jones, he's expected to produce anyway.

In 2023, Jones was hit, pressured and sacked over 50 times in the 5.5 games he played. His offensive line at that time (without Thomas) was on pace to set a NFL record for sacks. They don't even measure hits, hurries, pressures etc. Jones had less than two seconds on average in the pocket.

Once again, we talk about how important it is to have a pass rush and make the opposing QB uncomfortable. But yet many ask our QB to rise above that and perform at a high level anyway.


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Problem with your theory is that Brady (although pressured) still produced!...Jones when pressured is a scared rabbit who locks on every receiver and hasn't shown a consistent ability to do anything except put his head down and run with the ball.

Brady when pressured still was a lethal operator.

CJ Shourd line was also bad
Did the WRs step up?
It seems that was but it was also having CJ as the QB
There is nothing the Giants are able to do
Let D Jones be the QB
But tell.him
You want him to throw it 7 times a game downfield.no matter what