Big Blue Huddle

Mike Lombardi breaks down what he sees as NYG's dysfunction. Admittedly, Mike is a strong critic of NYG, but considering their track record, it's hard to fault him.


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I thought it was a bunch of hog wash.  Lombardi assumes that because 20 people are in a room, it means 20 people have a vote.  No, it's 20 people to provide input and 1-2 people make the decision.  That's a good way to be organized.  It's called collaboration where you solicit other's views.

Also, his comparison of the 49ers OL being worse than the Giants is complete nonsense.  The vast, vast majority of 85 sacks are due to an OL simply getting beat and in the Giants case, getting beat so badly that the OL does not even get a hand on the rusher.

Quote from: Philosophers on July 04, 2024, 09:41:40 AMI thought it was a bunch of hog wash.  Lombardi assumes that because 20 people are in a room, it means 20 people have a vote.  No, it's 20 people to provide input and 1-2 people make the decision.  That's a good way to be organized.  It's called collaboration where you solicit other's views.

Also, his comparison of the 49ers OL being worse than the Giants is complete nonsense.  The vast, vast majority of 85 sacks are due to an OL simply getting beat and in the Giants case, getting beat so badly that the OL does not even get a hand on the rusher.

I had already posted in my 1st impressions that there were way too many people in the meetings

"too many chefs spoil the soup".  Lombardi and I are in lock step on that one.  I always noted in my meetings that the more people we had in the room the less likely anyone was to make a substantial comment fearing they did not want to stick their chin out.

That organization has a lot to overcome.  They are shooting themselves in the foot

Lombardi understands that Jones is a robotic QB....he may be smart but he is not football smart
I find it hard to imagine us making a run with Jones as our QB

Quote from: MightyGiants on July 04, 2024, 09:01:16 AMMike Lombardi breaks down what he sees as NYG's dysfunction. Admittedly, Mike is a strong critic of NYG, but considering their track record, it's hard to fault him.


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If we're to give any weight to Lombardi's opinion shouldn't we first take a look at his track record? During his stint as GM in Cleveland he proved that he was utterly incapable of running a functional franchise. Thanks but not thanks.

Quote from: madbadger on July 04, 2024, 10:44:20 AMIf we're to give any weight to Lombardi's opinion shouldn't we first take a look at his track record? During his stint as GM in Cleveland he proved that he was utterly incapable of running a functional franchise. Thanks but not thanks.

Those that can't do, teach.   I learned a hell of a lot from him over the years.  Mike has his flaws, but he learned from the best.   Plus, based on the Giant's record over the past decade, it's hard to fault his negative views.

Quote from: madbadger on July 04, 2024, 10:44:20 AMIf we're to give any weight to Lombardi's opinion shouldn't we first take a look at his track record? During his stint as GM in Cleveland he proved that he was utterly incapable of running a functional franchise. Thanks but not thanks.

It's a valid point. If Rich Kotite were doing podcasts on the art of coaching an NFL team, something tells me he wouldn't have much of a following.

I get that Lombardi probably wasn't anywhere near as bad at GMing as Kotite was at coaching, but you get my drift here.

I listen to the Lombardi pod from time to time because I find it entertaining, and I think Lombardi has plenty of knowledge whether he was a good GM or not. We get plenty of content from people with zero experience actually working in the NFL, so even though he failed as a GM, he still has some stories to tell and some insights. And he has more actual NFL experience than most pundits out there.

But clearly taking anything he says as pure gospel (which I am not saying anyone here does) is giving his takes more legitimacy than they probably deserve. I view them more as "informed entertainment."

Who has ever done well in Cleveland?   Its the NFLs Black Hole.... Ask Belichick

Realize the Giants have total editing rights over all of this.

We ain't gonna see anything the Giants would not want us to see.

Quote from: MightyGiants on July 04, 2024, 10:50:44 AMThose that can't do, teach.   I learned a hell of a lot from him over the years.  Mike has his flaws, but he learned from the best.   Plus, based on the Giant's record over the past decade, it's hard to fault his negative views.

He was a good scout and player personnel guy, so I'll listen to his opinion on the draft and free agency but that's about it. He proved that he was incapable of building and running a competent franchise so why would I care about his hot take on the Giants? For the record the Giants issues IMHO has less to do with having too many voices and more to do with having the wrong voices. The franchise is going to struggle until John, Chris and McDonnell stay away from football operations.

Quote from: madbadger on July 04, 2024, 11:59:52 AMHe was a good scout and player personnel guy, so I'll listen to his opinion on the draft and free agency but that's about it. He proved that he was incapable of building and running a competent franchise so why would I care about his hot take on the Giants? For the record the Giants issues IMHO has less to do with having too many voices and more to do with having the wrong voices. The franchise is going to struggle until John, Chris and McDonnell stay away from football operations.

Jimmy Haslett gave Mike only a year as GM.  Do you think that was enough to prove things one way or the other?

Quote from: MightyGiants on July 04, 2024, 12:48:40 PMJimmy Haslett gave Mike only a year as GM.  Do you think that was enough to prove things one way or the other?

Ask yourself why Haslett only gave him a year. Whatever the reason it must have been pretty evident that it was intolerable for them to give him a second.

Quote from: madbadger on July 04, 2024, 01:51:17 PMAsk yourself why Haslett only gave him a year. Whatever the reason it must have been pretty evident that it was intolerable for them to give him a second.

Haslam was pretty impetuous when he first bought the team, going through many HCs and GMs before finally settling on GM    Andrew Berry and HC Kevin Stefanski

Quote from: MightyGiants on July 04, 2024, 02:34:06 PMHaslam was pretty impetuous when he first bought the team, going through many HCs and GMs before finally settling on GM    Andrew Berry and HC Kevin Stefanski

Then why didn't any other teams hire him, for any job? Hell, even that putz Dave Gettleman got a second chance. Sorry I'm not going to give a guy, who clearly hates the Giants, the benefit of the doubt.

Quote from: madbadger on July 04, 2024, 03:11:45 PMThen why didn't any other teams hire him, for any job? Hell, even that putz Dave Gettleman got a second chance. Sorry I'm not going to give a guy, who clearly hates the Giants, the benefit of the doubt.

It could be because he is not that good.  It also could be the reality that you don't see retread GMs like you see retread HCs

I think there's a difference between hating a team and hating the moves they're making. Given the track record of the Giants recently if you hated most of their moves you were probably right. Many of us around here fall into that category.

I do agree with a lot of what he says. Clearly the Giants feel as though somewhere inside Jones is the ability to be a great QB despite no evidence to support it. The best compliment even Jones' most ardent supporters can muster is "well the OL was worse". And as Lombardi points out the great QBs can work around that and even make them better. Jones can't.

If nothing else at least this episode gave strong indications that if Jones doesn't put it together this year they're moving on. Excuses or not they don't really have a choice. Monetarily it wouldn't make sense and from a pulse of the fan base point of view they'd riot. And that's not to say they should be doing whatever the fans want but it's not just them. The entire league can see what the Giants refuse to acknowledge when it comes to Jones: he ain't it.