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Quote from: MightyGiants on July 27, 2024, 05:04:50 PMJeff, I appreciate you want to blame Jones, but stats don't lie.

When you're constantly checking it down and never looking deep, unlike Taylor who came right in and took deep shots almost immediately, you're going to embolden defensive fronts to throw more stunts, twists, and blitzes at you since they are at much less risk of getting burned if the you pick them up.

Saying "the stats don't lie" and being unwilling to consider the nuances of the stats themselves is one approach, but I personally don't think it's the correct one. Especially having watched all the games and having observed everything with my own two eyes.

Also "if the stats don't lie", then I am not understanding why that line of thinking does not apply to Jones' own stats themselves. Seems like you're saying the stats don't lie if they suit a certain agenda, but they do lie (or are nuanced) if they don't suit that agenda.

On their weekly podcast, the PFF guys, so often banded around as the barometer of how to measure individual play is measured, had Jones responsible, not merely contributing, but responsible for 6 out of the 11 sacks against Seattle.

Maybe it's a bad game for Jones, or maybe the early faults in the line wasn't just down to the line.


 

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 27, 2024, 05:20:26 PMWhen you're constantly checking it down and never looking deep, unlike Taylor who came right in and took deep shots almost immediately, you're going to embolden defensive fronts to throw more stunts, twists, and blitzes at you since they are at much less risk of getting burned if the you pick them up.

Saying "the stats don't lie" and being unwilling to consider the nuances of the stats themselves is one approach, but I personally don't think it's the correct one. Especially having watched all the games and having observed everything with my own two eyes.

Also "if the stats don't lie", then I am not understanding why that line of thinking does not apply to Jones' own stats themselves. Seems like you're saying the stats don't lie if they suit a certain agenda, but they do lie (or are nuanced) if they don't suit that agenda.

Tom Coughlin talked about how getting to Brady kept Moss in check because it takes time to go deep. 

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on July 27, 2024, 05:34:56 PMOn their weekly podcast, the PFF guys, so often banded around as the barometer of how to measure individual play is measured, had Jones responsible, not merely contributing, but responsible for 6 out of the 11 sacks against Seattle.

Maybe it's a bad game for Jones, or maybe the early faults in the line wasn't just down to the line.


 

That does not explain the excessive pressure and the quickness of the pressure.

Quote from: MightyGiants on July 27, 2024, 05:36:36 PMTom Coughlin talked about how getting to Brady kept Moss in check because it takes time to go deep. 

This is the beauty of Spags' game plan which, in my opinion, deserved to supplant Belichick's Super Bowl XXV defensive game plan that sits in the Hall of Fame. Because not only was the game plan clever, the Giants had a wily old veteran in Strahan, and a corral of young Defensive Ends, Tackles and Linebackers, as well as secondary players, who went kamikaze on Brady who couldn't figure out where the heat was coming from.

The other factor was that the Giants' defense was so confident that not even Belichick's trick plays, or bad calls against them, fazed them in the slightest.

Watching Strahan pass that aura of confidence to his O-Line teammates, prior to the Giants game-winning drive, was a perfectly written and executed scene before the climax.

It's why defense wins championships, but a hand from the offense, and it's line, doesn't hurt either! Coughlin's written account of the game, as well as moments during his life which prepared him for that big game, make his book "A Giant Win" a must-read.

Though Wellington Mara and Bob Tisch never got to witness those two dramatic Super Bowl victories during the Tom Coughlin era, there is no doubting they looked down from heaven and smiled with great approval. Though the team has struggled in recent years, their spirit will continue to influence a new generation of Giants' players, coaches, staff and fans. Because once you are bit by New York Football Giant Pride, you are forever Once a Giant, Always a Giant!

Peace!

DJ's check downs were maybe 10% of the sacks.  How about Neal doing an "Olay"?

That is true but that Giant front was amazing
How many sacks was on D Jones not realizing what to do
Or he didn't notice something
You think Stroud had an amazing line or was he able to overcome it
Joe borrow was sack all the way to the superbowl
Yes , our line was very bad
But how much did D Jones help them

Quote from: ralphpal1 on July 28, 2024, 01:07:22 AMThat is true but that Giant front was amazing
How many sacks was on D Jones not realizing what to do
Or he didn't notice something
You think Stroud had an amazing line or was he able to overcome it
Joe borrow was sack all the way to the superbowl
Yes , our line was very bad
But how much did D Jones help them

It's not just sacks.  As Tom Coughlin says, it's the hits and hurries as well.   Regardless of a pressure/hit turning into a sack, a throw away, or a completion, it's still a hit

While I'm in agreement regarding the premise of the OL vis a vis Brady & Jones....lets take a moment and remember the beatings Eli used to take on the regular.

Many of those years while developing average receivers into very productive ones.


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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on July 28, 2024, 10:57:07 AMWhile I'm in agreement regarding the premise of the OL vis a vis Brady & Jones....lets take a moment and remember the beatings Eli used to take on the regular.

Many of those years while developing average receivers into very productive ones.


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Eli did a great job handling the beating in the 49ers playoff game, no one can take that away from him.  That said, over time those beating turned Eli from a franchise QB who could win Super Bowls into a chuck and duck guy whose record ending up being one game under 500

Quote from: MightyGiants on July 28, 2024, 10:59:44 AMEli did a great job handling the beating in the 49ers playoff game, no one can take that away from him.  That said, over time those beating turned Eli from a franchise QB who could win Super Bowls to a chuck and duck guy whose record ending up being one game under 500

I don't argue to overall point...the offense devolved at both the OL and the majority of the receiving corps.

He had NO protection at any level for his last 5 years.


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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on July 28, 2024, 11:02:30 AMI don't argue to overall point...the offense devolved at both the OL and the majority of the receiving corps.

He had NO protection at any level for his last 5 years.


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That also describes Jones' entire career with the Giants

Quote from: MightyGiants on July 28, 2024, 11:04:28 AMThat also describes Jones' entire career with the Giants

That's fair.


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