Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 13, 2024, 05:51:53 PMThis occurred on the grass practice field, not the stadium turf.

Even our grass is dangerous?   Was his ankle taped properly for practice
Likely not

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on August 13, 2024, 08:25:19 PMThis was very disturbing when we heard about it, but it sounds like he has a very good chance of being able to suit up for week one of the regular season, and possibly even a chance of getting the final preseason game in or at least a few limited camp sessions before the season.

The Giants probably need to sign a cheap veteran back and carry four backs unless they think Turbo is a viable NFL player, which he may well be.

Unfortunately, Turbo is dealing with a hammy.  It doesn't sound too serious, but hamstrings can be tricky, especially for the Giants medical and training staff

This amount of ligament ailments, so early in training camp, of course brings the smart-a$$ Barnes comments. But take a look around the league and you will find nearly every team has similar issues and that includes the Rams and their player risk profiling. In fact, 3/5 of their offensive line is out and Puca, their star WR, is also out with a knee injury.

It's the same old, same old around the league. But no, if it looks like a witch, walks like a witch, then it must be Ronnie Barnes so let's get out the marshmallows and S'mores kit and burn him 🔥!

And as our late great friend, Christopher Allen used to say ...

"And the beat goes on!"

🥁

Peace!

Quote from: kartanoman on August 14, 2024, 09:00:07 AMThis amount of ligament ailments, so early in training camp, of course brings the smart-a$$ Barnes comments. But take a look around the league and you will find nearly every team has similar issues and that includes the Rams and their player risk profiling. In fact, 3/5 of their offensive line is out and Puca, their star WR, is also out with a knee injury.

It's the same old, same old around the league. But no, if it looks like a witch, walks like a witch, then it must be Ronnie Barnes so let's get out the marshmallows and S'mores kit and burn him 🔥!

And as our late great friend, Christopher Allen used to say ...

"And the beat goes on!"

🥁

Peace!

Barnes should be held responsible for the chronically injured (since he okayed them), muscle injuries (like calf and hamstring), and the time it takes for players to recover and return to play (and reinjury, like Cager).

You can't really hold him accountable for things like ankle injuries and knee injuries (or, as you put it, "ligaments").

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 14, 2024, 09:07:30 AMBarnes should be held responsible for the chronically injured (since he okayed them), muscle injuries (like calf and hamstring), and the time it takes for players to recover and return to play (and reinjury, like Cager).

You can't really hold him accountable for things like ankle injuries and knee injuries (or, as you put it, "ligaments").

Good morning, Rich.

You know, I have thought about that and one of the things I've considered is the fine line between the powers of the Medical organization with respect to the "corrective" versus "preventive" actions they provide and the definition of "mandatory" versus "recommended" with respect to the contracts the players sign with the football clubs; not to mention if there is additional language in the CBA.

In other words, Ronnie Barnes might be limited in terms of what he and his staff can provide if there is language in the contracts which provide the players leverage to accept care or request an alternate approach. We both know players seek professional treatment outside the football medical organizations. So, there may be some elements where a player may be acting in a manner which is not in his best interest as far as managing his body the way he properly should (NOTE: the reverse has been shown true, of course).

Systemically, I think we both know a good flexibility building program is beneficial to mitigate these types of injuries. There may be other programs as well. Perhaps these players are doing these but overextended themselves. Is this not a possibility as well?

My point is that it should be cut and dry but it almost never works that way. The current state off-season NFL programs, the pre-season, the additional games, and now the idea of going to 18 games is going to make it even worse.

These men are world-class athletes pushing themselves to their limits. When you so that, your risk for injury increases. If you have never tried to push yourself that hard, where you feel your lungs are about to jump out of your mouth, your veins are about to pop and you feel like you are about to lose consciousness, these athletes train to feel that to the point that is normal. Consider that.

Peace!

Quote from: kartanoman on August 14, 2024, 09:34:39 AMGood morning, Rich.

You know, I have thought about that and one of the things I've considered is the fine line between the powers of the Medical organization with respect to the "corrective" versus "preventive" actions they provide and the definition of "mandatory" versus "recommended" with respect to the contracts the players sign with the football clubs; not to mention if there is additional language in the CBA.

In other words, Ronnie Barnes might be limited in terms of what he and his staff can provide if there is language in the contracts which provide the players leverage to accept care or request an alternate approach. We both know players seek professional treatment outside the football medical organizations. So, there may be some elements where a player may be acting in a manner which is not in his best interest as far as managing his body the way he properly should (NOTE: the reverse has been shown true, of course).

Systemically, I think we both know a good flexibility building program is beneficial to mitigate these types of injuries. There may be other programs as well. Perhaps these players are doing these but overextended themselves. Is this not a possibility as well?

My point is that it should be cut and dry but it almost never works that way. The current state off-season NFL programs, the pre-season, the additional games, and now the idea of going to 18 games is going to make it even worse.

These men are world-class athletes pushing themselves to their limits. When you so that, your risk for injury increases. If you have never tried to push yourself that hard, where you feel your lungs are about to jump out of your mouth, your veins are about to pop and you feel like you are about to lose consciousness, these athletes train to feel that to the point that is normal. Consider that.

Peace!

Chris,

In terms of flexibility, I will agree it's important.  However, when it comes to preventing hamstring injuries (as one example), I have been researching.   The causes of the injuries are complex and currently not fully understood.  There has been progress made in terms of different strengthening exercises that have helped reduce the incidence of injury.   What troubles me is that I have seriously doubts that Barnes, a man in his 70s who has been doing this forever, is keeping up with the latest science and advances

As I read through this thread, I couldn't help thinking, "a few months ago none of us had even heard of Tyrone Tracy, let alone dread his absence due to injury."

His being ok is great but his "breakout" to date is even better.  It's about time we started uncovering hidden gems. 

Why does Barnes still have employment here?

Quote from: MrGap92 on August 14, 2024, 10:24:05 AMWhy does Barnes still have employment here?

He sat at Wellington Mara's death bed for a week.  That got him a job for life.

Quote from: WheresDayne on August 14, 2024, 10:10:14 AMAs I read through this thread, I couldn't help thinking, "a few months ago none of us had even heard of Tyrone Tracy, let alone dread his absence due to injury."

His being ok is great but his "breakout" to date is even better.  It's about time we started uncovering hidden gems. 

At his last presser, Daboll was praising Tracy's pass protection (high praise for any rookie RB)

He graded a 79.1 in four PB attempts, 4th best in the league for RB's.

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 14, 2024, 09:46:04 AMChris,

In terms of flexibility, I will agree it's important.  However, when it comes to preventing hamstring injuries (as one example), I have been researching.   The causes of the injuries are complex and currently not fully understood.  There has been progress made in terms of different strengthening exercises that have helped reduce the incidence of injury.   What troubles me is that I have seriously doubts that Barnes, a man in his 70s who has been doing this forever, is keeping up with the latest science and advances

Hi Rich @MightyGiants .

Is the question whether Barnes keeps up with the latest sciences and advancements, or are there other variables at work here?

It seems to me that the Giants skill players have been going down after the practices and pre-season game with the Lions. Is it that they are not recovering as fast or not performing the necessary preventive stretching? Whether Barnes and his staff know about concepts and techniques is one thing. Whether the players are complying with their specific program customized for them is another. That's the area we do not have the hard data to draw any conclusions from.

Peace!

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 14, 2024, 10:37:44 AMHe sat at Wellington Mara's death bed for a week.  That got him a job for life.

Pretty cold

Quote from: Rosehill Jimmy on August 14, 2024, 03:32:29 PMPretty cold

That may be, but I remember thinking it back in 2005 when I heard it.  I am not a big fan of mixing personal and business like that.  At that time, I had zero issues with Barnes.  He seemed to me to be doing a good job, but I felt that anyone having a job for life could prove to be an issue, especially in a results-oriented business like professional football.