Big Blue Huddle

Based on 2023 won-loss records, that would put them around 12th in first round.  That's about what I expect on my upside analysis.  That's predicated on:

1) DJ plays 17 games and plays slightly above his 2022 level.

2) Giants improve on injury rate which always seems to plague them.

3) Sacks against Gmen falls below 50.

4) Nabers proves to be real deal and someone emerges at RB and TE to be better than average.

5) D plays above average in all facets of game.

Giants retain Dabs/Schoen who decide with the 12th pick to draft a boundary CB

I think sometimes we forget that 8-9 is only two more wins than last year. We all know they gave away one game against the Jets last season so, 8-9 isn't much of a stretch. This team should be capable of that.

The one thin

Quote from: bamagiantfan on August 28, 2024, 09:41:06 AMI think sometimes we forget that 8-9 is only two more wins than last year. We all know they gave away one game against the Jets last season so, 8-9 isn't much of a stretch. This
team should be capable of that.

The one thing to also consider is that in 2022 the Giants had some fortunate things bounce their way, otherwise their won-loss is not as good.

Agree with you that 8-9/9-8 os doable but believe what I listed needs to happen to get there.

That's about what I would expect them to do this year.  Good enough to miss out on a top QB but bad enough to miss the playoffs.  The Daniel Jones special!  To answer the question though I do think both Schoen and Daboll come back if they get to 8 or 9 wins.  The team is going in the right direction.  There's been a few bumps in the road but competent QB play would really go a long way towards making this roster above average.

Before we think about a Win/Loss record as determining Daniel Jones's future, it is essential to recognize that his inability to stay healthy- he has missed 20 of 59 starts, 11 of which were last season- is a big reason that he is currently ranked a Tier 4 QB.

While I do regard the QBrec (Wins/Losses) as the essential measure of success, it must not be just a one-off thing but reflect some positive consistency. Moreover, in this instance, I believe it will require no less than 11 wins with/without a PO game if a healthy Daniel Jones is to remain the Giants QB. In any case, I don't see this season's results as determining Joe Schoen's immediate future and, while possibly, not likely that of Brian Daboll.

I know it will seem odd even distasteful to suggest that Eli, the 2 GOAT-beating, Super Bowl MVP-winning, likely HOFer (Hooray! Hooray! Thank God!) was actually a mediocre Regular season QB in his 117/117 career, and most notably over his final (39-60 QBrec) 7 seasons.

Nor does it seem that his descent to a final 9-26 was of the slightest consideration in Gettleman's decision to draft Barkley in 2018 rather than a QB, who most likely would have been Sam Darnold who, quite ironically, has achieved in his 3 team/ 6 seasons a virtually identical QBrec to Daniel Jones in his 5.

If that proves anything, it is that Drafting a top-tier QB, much less a Franchise QB is as much or more a matter of luck than of some special insight. That I suspect we will see put to the test by Our Heroes in the 2025 Draft.

Cheers!

Quote from: Painter on August 28, 2024, 01:49:48 PMBefore we think about a Win/Loss record as determining Daniel Jones's future, it is essential to recognize that his inability to stay healthy- he has missed 20 of 59 starts, 11 of which were last season- is a big reason that he is currently ranked a Tier 4 QB.

While I do regard the QBrec (Wins/Losses) as the essential measure of success, it must not be just a one-off thing but reflect some positive consistency. Moreover, in this instance, I believe it will require no less than 11 wins with/without a PO game if a healthy Daniel Jones is to remain the Giants QB. In any case, I don't see this season's results as determining Joe Schoen's immediate future and, while possibly, not likely that of Brian Daboll.

I know it will seem odd even distasteful to suggest that Eli, the 2 GOAT-beating, Super Bowl MVP-winning, likely HOFer (Hooray! Hooray! Thank God!) was actually a mediocre Regular season QB in his 117/117 career, and most notably over his final (39-60 QBrec) 7 seasons.

Nor does it seem that his descent to a final 9-26 was of the slightest consideration in Gettleman's decision to draft Barkley in 2018 rather than a QB, who most likely would have been Sam Darnold who, quite ironically, has achieved in his 3 team/ 6 seasons a virtually identical QBrec to Daniel Jones in his 5.

If that proves anything, it is that Drafting a top-tier QB, much less a Franchise QB is as much or more a matter of luck than of some special insight. That I suspect we will see put to the test by Our Heroes in the 2025 Draft.

Cheers!

Agree wholeheartedly Larry.

The one thing I really hope for is improved play of the OL as that is the last remaining reason to determine DJ's future.

Quote from: bamagiantfan on August 28, 2024, 09:41:06 AMI think sometimes we forget that 8-9 is only two more wins than last year. We all know they gave away one game against the Jets last season so, 8-9 isn't much of a stretch. This team should be capable of that.

Let's not forget the games against the Bills, Rams, and even the first against the Eagles were all winnable and an argument can be made they should have won all 4.