Big Blue Huddle

Dan Duggan put out a concerning tweet. Again, this is week one where everything was scripted and prepared.

He basically said:
- Simmons didn't play a snap
- Flott played slot despite not playing there all summer long
- Phillips barely playing
- McFadden not playing although just questionable
- Hyatt only 4 plays for 3 qtrs (and he left the locker room with his eye black on!!!)
- Nobody to return punts with Gunner out
- Making QB draw your big play

This guy is going to lose this locker room very fast. Very fast.

Fans need to come off the notion that Simmons is anything other than a JAG. 

Quote from: kingm56 on September 08, 2024, 06:43:42 PMFans need to come off the notion that Simmons is anything other than a JAG. 

We have seen recent safeties leave the Giants and do very good things. That's concerning

The biggest criticism of Daboll is that his team did not look ready to compete and that falls on him !!!

Quote from: Trench on September 08, 2024, 06:46:27 PMWe have seen recent safeties leave the Giants and do very good things. That's concerning

I don't get your point and/or see the correlation to Simmons?  Love was more than just JAG; he was a quality player who Jess and I wanted back!  Peppers is still Peppers and Mckinny was very much like Love, in that he was good when he was here.  Love and McKinny also received lucrative deals, which suggest other teams believed in their abilities.

Simmons has never been good, nor did any other team bid for his services this offseason, which is why he's here on a 1-yr, minimal contract.  There's just no comparison to Love or Mckinny.  He's also not a true safety, which is a his real problem.  Too big and slow to play safety too small to play LB....he's a guy without a natural position. 

Quote from: kingm56 on September 08, 2024, 06:53:12 PMI don't get your point and/or see the correlation to Simmons?  Love was more than just JAG; he was a quality player who Jess and I wanted back!  Peppers is still Peppers and Mckinny was very much like Love, in that he was good when he was here.  Love and McKinny also received lucrative deals, which suggest other teams believed in their abilities.

Simmons has never been good, nor did any other team bid for his services this offseason, which is why he's here on a 1-yr, minimal contract.  There's just no comparison to Love or Mckinny.  He's also not a true safety, which is a his real problem.  Too big and slow to play safety too small to play LB....he's a guy without a natural position. 

I'm agreeing with you on all those players. In fact, this defense has never been the same since Love left.

I wasn't sure what JAG means

Quote from: Trench on September 08, 2024, 06:59:39 PMI'm agreeing with you on all those players. In fact, this defense has never been the same since Love left.

I wasn't sure what JAG means

I remember Jess and I talking about Love; we wanted him back for different reasons.  I wanted him back because he had a rare ability to play all 5 DB positions. To Jess' credit, he wanted him back because he saw a future PB player...

Quote from: kingm56 on September 08, 2024, 07:01:58 PMI remember Jess and I talking about Love; we wanted him back for different reasons.  I wanted him back because he had a rare ability to play all 5 DB positions. To Jess' credit, he wanted him back because he saw a future PB player...

I wanted him back for a strange reason - he seemed so good in post game interviews and leadership skill. I remember posting he would be a future sportscaster

Quote from: Trench on September 08, 2024, 07:03:08 PMI wanted him back for a strange reason - he seemed so good in post game interviews and leadership skill. I remember posting he would be a future sportscaster

I recall that too, Trench. 

Quote from: Trench on September 08, 2024, 06:46:27 PMWe have seen recent safeties leave the Giants and do very good things. That's concerning

That's because we are too cheap to pay any of them!

JAG = Just Another Guy.

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on September 08, 2024, 06:51:33 PMThe biggest criticism of Daboll is that his team did not look ready to compete and that falls on him !!!

Two years in a row.  Camp was a little tougher but I was critical of not playiing the starters more in pre-season.  Particularly starters who missed much of last season with injuries, or a newly constituted position group where cohisiveness is key.  I'm losing confidence in him.

This is not exclusive to Daboll, but the "I've gotta go back and look at the tape" response when asked about a bad play or bad aspect of a loss really tests my patience. And when I say it's not exclusive to Daboll, I'm thinking of Judge, McAdoo, and Shurmur. If I'm Daboll, that's not company I'd want to be in.

I also don't really understand it. Why is it that they never give this response when asked about a good play after a win? When asked to describe a great catch a receiver made for a TD in a big win, these coaches describe it with laser precision. But then when asked about a bad play in a loss, they claim they can't answer the question without going back and looking at it on video? Does that mean they only pay attention to what's going on on the field during wins? If so, that seems problematic to me.

Of course, we all know that that's not why Daboll and others give this empty, lame response. It's because they don't want to have to talk about it because it's unpleasant. Or maybe they don't want to throw their players under the bus. I get it, I guess, but this type of nonsense wouldn't have flown a generation or two ago. For those who were around, when a Parcells-coached Giants team lost, did you ever see him say he needed to go back and look at the tape when asked about an inept play one of his players made? I don't recall Coughlin ever doing that either.

Weak. Really weak.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 09:45:42 PMThis is not exclusive to Daboll, but the "I've gotta go back and look at the tape" response when asked about a bad play or bad aspect of a loss really tests my patience. And when I say it's not exclusive to Daboll, I'm thinking of Judge, McAdoo, and Shurmur. If I'm Daboll, that's not company I'd want to be in.

I also don't really understand it. Why is it that they never give this response when asked about a good play after a win? When asked to describe a great catch a receiver made for a TD in a big win, these coaches describe it with laser precision. But then when asked about a bad play in a loss, they claim they can't answer the question without going back and looking at it on video? Does that mean they only pay attention to what's going on on the field during wins? If so, that seems problematic to me.

Of course, we all know that that's not why Daboll and others give this empty, lame response. It's because they don't want to have to talk about it because it's unpleasant. Or maybe they don't want to throw their players under the bus. I get it, I guess, but this type of nonsense wouldn't have flown a generation or two ago. For those who were around, when a Parcells-coached Giants team lost, did you ever see him say he needed to go back and look at the tape when asked about an inept play one of his players made? I don't recall Coughlin ever doing that either.

Weak. Really weak.

There it is in a nutshell.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 09:45:42 PMThis is not exclusive to Daboll, but the "I've gotta go back and look at the tape" response when asked about a bad play or bad aspect of a loss really tests my patience. And when I say it's not exclusive to Daboll, I'm thinking of Judge, McAdoo, and Shurmur. If I'm Daboll, that's not company I'd want to be in.

I also don't really understand it. Why is it that they never give this response when asked about a good play after a win? When asked to describe a great catch a receiver made for a TD in a big win, these coaches describe it with laser precision. But then when asked about a bad play in a loss, they claim they can't answer the question without going back and looking at it on video? Does that mean they only pay attention to what's going on on the field during wins? If so, that seems problematic to me.

Of course, we all know that that's not why Daboll and others give this empty, lame response. It's because they don't want to have to talk about it because it's unpleasant. Or maybe they don't want to throw their players under the bus. I get it, I guess, but this type of nonsense wouldn't have flown a generation or two ago. For those who were around, when a Parcells-coached Giants team lost, did you ever see him say he needed to go back and look at the tape when asked about an inept play one of his players made? I don't recall Coughlin ever doing that either.

Weak. Really weak.

That pretty much says it all. Praise in public, admonish in private.

What should he have said that would make it more acceptable?

Again unprepared  in the first game
If mahomes can play with in the preseason
Why can jones