Big Blue Huddle

JJ McCarthy-  IR for the year
Penix and Maye- Did not play, coach's decision


Caleb Williams (vs Titans)  14/29 93 yards 0/0 TD/INT: 5 for 15 yards rushing 22.2 QBR 55.7 QB rating (2 sacks)

Jayden Daniels (vs Bucs) 17/24 184 yards 0/0 TD/INT: 16 for 88 yards 2 TDs rushing 41.8 QBR 93.1 QB rating (2 sacks)

Bo Nix (vs Seahawks) 26/42 138 yards 0/2 TD/INT: 5 for 35 yards 1 TD rushing 30.1 QBR 47.5 QB rating (2 sacks)



Since at least Nix, Penix, and JJ were all alternatives to DJ, here are DJ's numbers


Daniel Jones (vs Vikings) 22/42 186 yards 0/2 TD/INT; 6 for 15 yards rushing 17.4 QBR 44.3 QB rating (5 sacks)

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 09, 2024, 09:09:43 AMJJ McCarthy-  IR for the year
Penix and Maye- Did not play, coach's decision


Caleb Williams (vs Titans)  14/29 93 yards 0/0 TD/INT: 5 for 15 yards rushing 22.2 QBR 55.7 QB rating (2 sacks)

Jayden Daniels (vs Bucs) 17/24 184 yards 0/0 TD/INT: 16 for 88 yards 2 TDs rushing 41.8 QBR 93.1 QB rating (2 sacks)

Bo Nix (vs Seahawks) 26/42 138 yards 0/2 TD/INT: 5 for 35 yards 1 TD rushing 30.1 QBR 47.5 QB rating (2 sacks)



Since at least Nix, Penix, and JJ were all alternatives to DJ, here are DJ's numbers


Daniel Jones (vs Vikings) 22/42 186 yards 0/2 TD/INT; 6 for 15 yards rushing 17.4 QBR 44.3 QB rating (5 sacks)

Is there a point to this post?

Jones stinks.

Whatever the rookies do this year is irrelevant. They are all less experience and making a ton less.

It's time to hit the reset button.

Quote from: katkavage on September 09, 2024, 09:15:12 AMIs there a point to this post?

Why did this post upset you to the point that you are publicly challenging me for posting it?

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 09, 2024, 09:19:55 AMWhy did this post upset you to the point that you are publicly challenging me for posting it?

I'm not upset. I just see no relevance to it in terms of the Giants situation.

Quote from: katkavage on September 09, 2024, 09:21:38 AMI'm not upset. I just see no relevance to it in terms of the Giants situation.

If you say so

Quote from: katkavage on September 09, 2024, 09:15:12 AMIs there a point to this post?

To me the point is having Daniel Jones as your QB is like starting a rookie who struggles. For six consecutive years we basically have a rookie who is arguably in over his head playing the most important position on the field. The difference is those rookies may improve whereas Daniel Jones has established himself as having a low ceiling.

They obviously felt those guys were not worth drafting, and the stats for week 1, as little as a sample it is, at least show for it. Only Daniels has a better statistical game but not by much, and wasn't an option for them anyway.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 09, 2024, 09:09:43 AMJJ McCarthy-  IR for the year
Penix and Maye- Did not play, coach's decision


Caleb Williams (vs Titans)  14/29 93 yards 0/0 TD/INT: 5 for 15 yards rushing 22.2 QBR 55.7 QB rating (2 sacks)

Jayden Daniels (vs Bucs) 17/24 184 yards 0/0 TD/INT: 16 for 88 yards 2 TDs rushing 41.8 QBR 93.1 QB rating (2 sacks)

Bo Nix (vs Seahawks) 26/42 138 yards 0/2 TD/INT: 5 for 35 yards 1 TD rushing 30.1 QBR 47.5 QB rating (2 sacks)



Since at least Nix, Penix, and JJ were all alternatives to DJ, here are DJ's numbers


Daniel Jones (vs Vikings) 22/42 186 yards 0/2 TD/INT; 6 for 15 yards rushing 17.4 QBR 44.3 QB rating (5 sacks)

Imagine if the cost to under preform was only 3.3 as with nix or 4.1 as with Penix. 

Giants paid 47 mill for total incompetence



What a dark day in Giant land to compare two rookies first games to Jone's 61st game.

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on September 09, 2024, 09:24:16 AMTo me the point is having Daniel Jones as your QB is like starting a rookie who struggles. For six consecutive years we basically have a rookie who is arguably in over his head playing the most important position on the field. The difference is those rookies may improve whereas Daniel Jones has established himself as having a low ceiling.

Not sure that was the point that was being made. But it's worse. I'd take any one of those rookies now and all their flaws after their first games in the NFL over the Giants situation.

Quote from: babywhales on September 09, 2024, 09:26:01 AMImagine if the cost to under preform was only 3.3 as with nix or 4.1 as with Penix. 

Giants paid 47 mill for total incompetence



What a dark day in Giant land to compare two rookies first games to Jone's 61st game.

Where did you get the $47 million number from, Chris?  DJ's contract is $40 million per season (a 2-way tie for 15th and 16th).  I am truly baffled by how fans and some pundits hold Schoen's cap manipulations against the vehicle of said manipulations (in this case, Daniel Jones).  Schoen used DJ's contract to borrow 2024 cap money for the 2023 season.  I don't believe there is any reasoned case that such moves should be held against the player  the GM used to borrow the money.

Quote from: babywhales on September 09, 2024, 09:26:01 AMWhat a dark day in Giant land to compare two rookies first games to Jone's 61st game.

It's so strange, Jones plays like a rookie every year. There's nothing he's significantly improved at over 6 years. Nothing in his arsenal that we can be confident that he will do well over the course of a season.

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on September 09, 2024, 09:32:16 AMIt's so strange, Jones plays like a rookie every year. There's nothing he's significantly improved at over 6 years. Nothing in his arsenal that we can be confident that he will do well over the course of a season.

DJ appeared to play with zero confidence yesterday.  It appears the team has broken him, and I fear it's likely beyond repair.  That was one of DJ's worst games of his 6-year career.  I am also concerned that since his 2nd neck injury, DJ's accuracy took a nose dive.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 09, 2024, 09:30:02 AMWhere did you get the $47 million number from, Chris?  DJ's contract is $40 million per season (a 2-way tie for 15th and 16th).  I am truly baffled by how fans and some pundits hold Schoen's cap manipulations against the vehicle of said manipulations (in this case, Daniel Jones).  Schoen used DJ's contract to borrow 2024 cap money for the 2023 season.  I don't believe there is any reasoned case that such moves should be held against the player  the GM used to borrow the money.

I think the point is that paying $5000 for a fresh lemon is much more palatable than paying over $100,000 for a spoiled lemon.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 09, 2024, 09:30:02 AMWhere did you get the $47 million number from, Chris?  DJ's contract is $40 million per season (a 2-way tie for 15th and 16th).  I am truly baffled by how fans and some pundits hold Schoen's cap manipulations against the vehicle of said manipulations (in this case, Daniel Jones).  Schoen used DJ's contract to borrow 2024 cap money for the 2023 season.  I don't believe there is any reasoned case that such moves should be held against the player  the GM used to borrow the money.

Jones is a 47 mill cap hit this season and you know that and how I got the number.

 Transferring 7 mill is not the issue.  Call it 40 mill, call it what it is 47 mill.  Hell I thought he was worth 28 mill per before the extension and I was completely wrong.  Jones isn't worth the 5mill drew Luck was given.  

you have a real knack for ignoring so many other points to side track a conversation on minor detail you take issue with. 

Call it 40 mill, who cares do you feel better about his play then ?  40 mill vs 3.3 or 47 mill vs 3.3 is the detail you choose to take issue with?