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Eli will "compete" against 166 other members for the right to wear the Gold Jacket; Initially, I thought it would take him two or three chances to get in to the Hall.  However, he appears to be best of the modern QBs eligible. If the committee selects a single QB, I believe it's Eli:

QUARTERBACKS (10): Marc Bulger, Randall Cunningham, Jake Delhomme, Doug Flutie, Rich Gannon, Jeff Garcia, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning, Steve McNair, Tony Romo.


https://www.profootballhof.com/news/2024/09/167-modern-era-players-nominated-for-pro-football-hall-of-fame-class-of-2025/

No way I see him making first time.  It would be shocking to me.

I won't be shocked if he makes it on the first ballot. It's not my base case, but I won't be shocked if it happens. Two time Super Bowl MVP is an extremely rare thing. The company he shares for that distinction is extremely scarce and impressive. I understand a lot more goes into the evaluation than the absolute high points of a candidate's resume, but the high points matter a lot. And Eli's are pretty high.

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Write it down.

Good luck Eli

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 18, 2024, 10:20:00 PMI won't be shocked if he makes it on the first ballot. It's not my base case, but I won't be shocked if it happens. Two time Super Bowl MVP is an extremely rare thing. The company he shares for that distinction is extremely scarce and impressive. I understand a lot more goes into the evaluation than the absolute high points of a candidate's resume, but the high points matter a lot. And Eli's are pretty high.

I agree, but for me it goes beyond the 2 SB MVPs, it is the 2 last minute game winning drives.  Some discount the 2 MVPs because Jim Plunkett has 2 SB wins including an MVP, and didn't get in, but there's really little comparison.  In xv Plunkett had an excellent game but the game was a blow-out, not so much because he was so good but because Jaworski was so bad, with 3 INTs.  His other SB win was also a blowout, but it was because Marcus Allen ran for 191 yards and the opposing QB threw 2 INTs.  In Eli's 2 MVPs he really was the 'indispensible' man, which really wasn't the case with Plunkett.

Much has also been made of the fact that Eli was basically a .500 regular season QB.  But if we look a little deeper, it is really due to a Tale of Two Teams.  Team 1, starting in his first full year as a starter until the year after the 2nd SB he never had a season below .500 and had a record of 77-51.  In Team 2, which is the rest of his career, his record was 39-60, with only one winning season.  But I'd argue that that wasn't an Eli problem, it was a Giants' problem, as he was still putting up pretty decent numbers in the service of a bad, bad team.

So, while I'm an admitted homer, I think there is a very solid case for him getting in on the first try.

Quote from: kingm56 on September 18, 2024, 04:22:30 PMEli will "compete" against 166 other members for the right to wear the Gold Jacket; Initially, I thought it would take him two or three chances to get in to the Hall.  However, he appears to be best of the modern QBs eligible. If the committee selects a single QB, I believe it's Eli:

QUARTERBACKS (10): Marc Bulger, Randall Cunningham, Jake Delhomme, Doug Flutie, Rich Gannon, Jeff Garcia, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning, Steve McNair, Tony Romo.


https://www.profootballhof.com/news/2024/09/167-modern-era-players-nominated-for-pro-football-hall-of-fame-class-of-2025/

McNair will probably make it in.

Other than that, I see no reason why Eli shouldn't be voted, based on his competition on this position.

I think he gets in at the first time of asking.

They should have Tom Brady give him the news too!

Unless the voters play the "anti NY bias" game they did with Harry Carson, Eli gets in and that's that. There are some excellent QBs on that list who one could argue were victims of circumstance in the big game (e.g. McNair, Ryan). But, those guys had opportunities to get it done and didn't. Eli, in the same situation, did it twice to a team that goes down as dominant in that era which had the greatest QB of all time, hands down. That QB walked off the field twice with his head down while Eli carried off the Lombardi and the game's MVP twice!

There's nothing else to debate after that. Eli can punch his ticket this season and those other great QBs can come in at a future date.

Peace!

Quote from: Trench on September 19, 2024, 09:16:34 AMThey should have Tom Brady give him the news too!

Brilliant idea!

Quote from: kartanoman on September 19, 2024, 09:20:53 AMUnless the voters play the "anti NY bias" game they did with Harry Carson, Eli gets in and that's that. There are some excellent QBs on that list who one could argue were victims of circumstance in the big game (e.g. McNair, Ryan). But, those guys had opportunities to get it done and didn't. Eli, in the same situation, did it twice to a team that goes down as dominant in that era which had the greatest QB of all time, hands down. That QB walked off the field twice with his head down while Eli carried off the Lombardi and the game's MVP twice!

There's nothing else to debate after that. Eli can punch his ticket this season and those other great QBs can come in at a future date.

Peace!

What anti-NY bias? Didn't LT and Strahan get in on first ballot? Carson had to wait a while but so did Marvin Harrison and a lot of great all-pro players. The only anti-NY bias I see is with the National media who ignore the Giants and treat us like we play in Iowa or Montana.

If Eli does not get in the first time it's because he is not a first time HOF ballot. Simms is the Giants QB who deserves to be in.

Strahan got in on his 2nd year on the ballot, which was totally ridiculo

Quote from: TDToomer on September 19, 2024, 09:33:42 AMWhat anti-NY bias? Didn't LT and Strahan get in on first ballot? Carson had to wait a while but so did Marvin Harrison and a lot of great all-pro players. The only anti-NY bias I see is with the National media who ignore the Giants and treat us like we play in Iowa or Montana.

If Eli does not get in the first time it's because he is not a first time HOF ballot. Simms is the Giants QB who deserves to be in.

Strahana got in on his 2nd year on the ballot which was an absolute joke.

Quote from: TDToomer on September 19, 2024, 09:33:42 AMWhat anti-NY bias? Didn't LT and Strahan get in on first ballot? Carson had to wait a while but so did Marvin Harrison and a lot of great all-pro players. The only anti-NY bias I see is with the National media who ignore the Giants and treat us like we play in Iowa or Montana.

If Eli does not get in the first time it's because he is not a first time HOF ballot. Simms is the Giants QB who deserves to be in.

Strahan got in on the second ballot, which is BS because Sapp made it before him.