Big Blue Huddle

OFFENSE

Heroes (75 or better)

Malik Nabers

Goats (below 50)

Daniel Jones
Chris Manhertz
Jermaine Eluemunor
Andrew Thomas
Jon Runyan


DEFENSE

Heroes

Brian Burns (elite)
Dexter Lawerence (elite)
Elijah Chatman (elite)
Micah McFadden
Jason Pinnock
D.J. Davidson


Goats

Deonte Banks
Isaiah Simmons

Thanks, Rich.

Feels good to see Chatman on this list.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 23, 2024, 01:15:06 PMDEFENSE

Goats

Deonte Banks
Isaiah Simmons

Two reasons why I'm not looking forward to Thursday's game. The other two: (a) so many DB injuries; and (b) I don't have Amazon Prime.      Bob

I think that is pretty rough on Thomas and Banks.

Thomas was put on an island against Myles Garrett, not many teams would do that. Yes he did get beat a few times, but to me thats more impressive than stonewalling a low-end starter (which I assume would rank higher on PFF).

Banks is the same, we have him on the other teams top receiver every week and he plays well.

Quote from: VanPelt on September 23, 2024, 01:33:21 PMI think that is pretty rough on Thomas and Banks.

Thomas was put on an island against Myles Garrett, not many teams would do that. Yes he did get beat a few times, but to me thats more impressive than stonewalling a low-end starter (which I assume would rank higher on PFF).

Banks is the same, we have him on the other teams top receiver every week and he plays well.

On 42 pass snaps, Thomas gave up 3 hits and 5 hurries

Quote from: VanPelt on September 23, 2024, 01:33:21 PMI think that is pretty rough on Thomas and Banks.

Thomas was put on an island against Myles Garrett, not many teams would do that. Yes he did get beat a few times, but to me thats more impressive than stonewalling a low-end starter (which I assume would rank higher on PFF).

Banks is the same, we have him on the other teams top receiver every week and he plays well.

VanP: What you said is more important than the grades, IMO. Bob

Quote from: VanPelt on September 23, 2024, 01:33:21 PMI think that is pretty rough on Thomas and Banks.

Thomas was put on an island against Myles Garrett, not many teams would do that. Yes he did get beat a few times, but to me thats more impressive than stonewalling a low-end starter (which I assume would rank higher on PFF).

Banks is the same, we have him on the other teams top receiver every week and he plays well.

One flaw with PFF is they don't account (where appropriate) for level of competition faced

Rich, if able, can you post starting O lineman season grades?  Except AT, we typically had 2 close to 50 and 2 close to 40last year.  It appears 2 of Schoens goals, upgrade the O line and add a dynamic WR are bearing fruit

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 23, 2024, 01:34:27 PMOn 42 pass snaps, Thomas gave up 3 hits and 5 hurries

And 0 sacks?

Quote from: Sem on September 23, 2024, 02:31:30 PMAnd 0 sacks?

Yes, according to PFF.

According to the game log the Jones was only sacked twice and Garrett wasn't among those credited

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 23, 2024, 02:34:21 PMYes, according to PFF.

According to the game log the Jones was only sacked twice and Garrett wasn't among those credited

Rich: Browns failure to put Garrett over the RT (even for just a play or two) was a missed opportunity. Bob

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 23, 2024, 02:34:21 PMYes, according to PFF.

According to the game log the Jones was only sacked twice and Garrett wasn't among those credited

Thanks for confirming what I thought, Rich. Like mentioned above, it's a shame PFF doesn't take into account the skill level of who players are matched up against. Thomas holding one of the league's best pass rushers, who is also one of the league's best defenders, without a sack is a major win as far as I'm concerned. And he should be graded appropriately.

Strange to see Thomas in that goat group.  Seeing the DL in the heroes meets the eye test.  Really nice to see Lawrence joined by Burns, Davidson and Chatman. 

Davidson was a guy that I thought flashed some potential last year and hadn't looked good in games 1 and 2.  Nice to see a rebound. 

Quote from: gregf on September 23, 2024, 02:30:58 PMRich, if able, can you post starting O lineman season grades?  Except AT, we typically had 2 close to 50 and 2 close to 40last year.  It appears 2 of Schoens goals, upgrade the O line and add a dynamic WR are bearing fruit

Thomas- 67.8
Runyan- 54.6
JMS- 63.9
Van Roten- 50.9
Eluemunor- 54.3

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 23, 2024, 03:07:30 PMThomas- 67.8
Runyan- 54.6
JMS- 63.9
Van Roten- 50.9
Eluemunor- 54.3

Thanks Rich. A sigh of relief to see JMS improving.  The rebuild is not done, but super happy with average for now