Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 27, 2024, 08:59:12 AMhttps://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1839627959520391329

Not a single post from anyone about a HORRIBLE performance by the OL against the worst run defense in the league, yet several blaming DJ for the anemic run game performance.

Like Swiss clockwork.

did we start a run outside the tackles [not counting ones where the RB hit a wall and bounced it outside]????   How creative.

I think a lot runs for little gain instead of an incomplete pass or sack were a reason they were in a position to win.  Dallas is a better team.  Dallas's defense was completely out of gas for the Giants final drive.  The 2022 Giants with Barkley/Jones fresh legs (and better arm?) win that game.  I don't think Jones's completion percentage would have been as high as it was without staying committed to the run throughout the game.  This game plan gave them a chance to win.  Sub out a few 2nd down runs for incomplete passes and what happens to the time of possession?  Did the running game give Thomas an edge against Parsons in passing downs?  Obviously if they picked up more yards than they did on 2nd down they would have had a higher chance of winning but their lack of an average yard per carry doesn't mean it was a bad strategy.  They lost by five points to Dallas and Jones was sacked only once.  Last year they lost by 40 in their first game and 32 in their second and Dallas won 14 of their last 15 against the Giants. 

Is it unfortunate that I'm arguing that the margin of defeat is narrowing rather that talking a winning team?  Of course, but the Giants have been a bad team for a long time and here we are.  I don't think last night's running strategy is why they lost, I think it's why they almost won.

Jones threw a better deep ball earlier in his career so that was a little concerning last night.  A deep ball with an ever-present run option synergize. 

The issue I had with the coaching was not rotating Nabers out more after some of the hits he took.  But other than that, I think they kept their composure and gave the team a chance to win at any point in time.  That terrible face masking call could have been the difference.       
 

IMHO there's no single biggest reason but several.

Rush per yards?  Yes.

How about 3rd downs and completed passes that came up short of the first down?

How about WRs not running their routes to the sticks?

How about coaches not coaching DJ and WRs to throw and run to first down markers?

How about WanDale catching around 11 passes for a whopping 71 yards or so?

How about DJ not looking off his primary WRs?

How about TEs who cant get schemed open and cant manage to get open to be a viable option?

I can keep going.

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Quote from: MightyGiants on September 27, 2024, 08:23:00 AMNice try, but not quite the same thing.  Look, I get it.  To your eyes, Jones is the reason the Giants have been bad (outside of 2022, when the Giants got to the playoffs and won a game DESPITE Jones) since he was drafted.  Everything is his fault, from the bad roster to the questionable coaching decisions, to the coaching staff turnovers, to the disappointing draft picks.  That's all on Daniel Jones.

Funny how people not trying to blame Jones from all the Giants problems have noted that all the NFL QBs are struggling with the deep passing game as teams are going to 2 high safety looks that minimize the deep passing

How many "deep passes" did Dallas complete? The two high safety defense is ruining the game. Teams are relying on short/intermediate passes and YAC for their offense now.


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If you are not a DJ hater, you have to admit that with such a running game deficiency, DJ's performance was pretty good.
The offense overall was timid. Daboll as usual was trying to keep the game close and eek out a win.. a boring offense; not having a respectable running attack exposed this issue even more imo.

I couldn't really focus too much on the game, just bits and pieces. The running game was a huge letdown for sure.

I'm just as disappointed as the next person. But Dallas already got run on for hundreds of yards the past two games and all the talk leading up to the game was that the Giants can run on them as well. Wouldn't Zimmer's priority be shoring up their run defense? Did Dallas load the box?

I think Daboll is in over his head calling plays and being the HC.

Quote from: UncannyGfan on September 27, 2024, 09:49:08 AMI think a lot runs for little gain instead of an incomplete pass or sack were a reason they were in a position to win.  Dallas is a better team.  Dallas's defense was completely out of gas for the Giants final drive.  The 2022 Giants with Barkley/Jones fresh legs (and better arm?) win that game.  I don't think Jones's completion percentage would have been as high as it was without staying committed to the run throughout the game.  This game plan gave them a chance to win.  Sub out a few 2nd down runs for incomplete passes and what happens to the time of possession?  Did the running game give Thomas an edge against Parsons in passing downs?  Obviously if they picked up more yards than they did on 2nd down they would have had a higher chance of winning but their lack of an average yard per carry doesn't mean it was a bad strategy.  They lost by five points to Dallas and Jones was sacked only once.  Last year they lost by 40 in their first game and 32 in their second and Dallas won 14 of their last 15 against the Giants. 

Is it unfortunate that I'm arguing that the margin of defeat is narrowing rather that talking a winning team?  Of course, but the Giants have been a bad team for a long time and here we are.  I don't think last night's running strategy is why they lost, I think it's why they almost won.

Jones threw a better deep ball earlier in his career so that was a little concerning last night.  A deep ball with an ever-present run option synergize. 

The issue I had with the coaching was not rotating Nabers out more after some of the hits he took.  But other than that, I think they kept their composure and gave the team a chance to win at any point in time.  That terrible face masking call could have been the difference.       
 

Good post. They also got 4 First Downs rushing. Dallas had 5 with 80 yards. They ran the ball 24 times with their Backs against 40 Passes, or 38% Rush to 62 Pass. Against the Browns they ran 32 to 35 Pass. The Oline was manhandled last night in the Run Game. The Run Blocking was 14 points better in PFF Grades last night than the week before. 

They did better than Dallas in 3rd and 4th down efficiency. 4 penalties to Dallas' 11 and time of possession 21.37 to 14.63.

Daniel Jones' passes lost their zip. Maybe it was the short week. The long ball issues weren't from the Defensive Coverage when they were underthrown. If DJ hits Nabors and Hyatt in stride, they win this game.  That's if the Refs didn't take the catch away for some stupid reason. The first drive of the same was disgraceful with those three calls. Statistically, he had a good game and an 80.0 Grade too.   

Quote from: todge on September 27, 2024, 10:35:12 AMHow many "deep passes" did Dallas complete? The two high safety defense is ruining the game. Teams are relying on short/intermediate passes and YAC for their offense now.


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 Not to blame Jones but to say Dallas sold out to stop the run is quite true if you have no fear of getting beat deep. Jones has shown he has no touch on deep throws continually under throwing his arms. Maybe that's why we ignore Hyatt and his exceptional speed.

Singletary is not, and has never been (in the NFL at least), a lead back. Which is what the Giants are asking him to be for them, as they have no other currently NFL caliber RBs on the team. We discussed this situation in August, and I for one (along with others) said we had one of the worst, if not the worst, RB rooms in the league. That is just a fact, and people should not feel surprised by it. I don't know that there is a single team that has less than we do at the position.

The good news is that the RB position is perhaps the easiest position to bulk up in quickly if you want to. Day two RB picks have pretty low bust rates. And while the hit rate will be less, you can get solid ones on day three. I expect the Giants to seriously consider a RB in the second or third round next year, and I'm sure they'll address the issue beyond that if the current players like Tracey and Gray don't show material improvement by the end of this season.

Quote from: Ed Vette on September 27, 2024, 01:23:24 PMGood post. They also got 4 First Downs rushing. Dallas had 5 with 80 yards. They ran the ball 24 times with their Backs against 40 Passes, or 38% Rush to 62 Pass. Against the Browns they ran 32 to 35 Pass. The Oline was manhandled last night in the Run Game. The Run Blocking was 14 points better in PFF Grades last night than the week before. 

They did better than Dallas in 3rd and 4th down efficiency. 4 penalties to Dallas' 11 and time of possession 21.37 to 14.63.

Daniel Jones' passes lost their zip. Maybe it was the short week. The long ball issues weren't from the Defensive Coverage when they were underthrown. If DJ hits Nabors and Hyatt in stride, they win this game.  That's if the Refs didn't take the catch away for some stupid reason. The first drive of the same was disgraceful with those three calls. Statistically, he had a good game and an 80.0 Grade too.   

Hard to fathom really.

There's a reason the Texans prioritized signing Saquon Barkley or Joe Mixon even though Singletary produced for them last year. He is not a RB1. He's not fast enough and his ball security makes him borderline unplayable. He's a solid #2  - good pass blocker, good receiver, can get dirty yards. But he's not a feature RB. That play he tried to cutback was cringeworthy.

People are upset with the OL, but the Cowboys had numbers at the LOS. They knew the Giants couldn't complete passes downfield and were likely to play conservatively and gameplanned accordingly. Zimmer's been around. And he was right - the Giants were unable to take advantage of it.

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