Big Blue Huddle

Here is his direct quote, and I'll provide the link down below.

"BRIAN DABOLL: Yeah, three games in a row, I'm proud of the young man. He's made good decisions. He's thrown the ball where he needs to throw the ball. The last play to (wide receiver Jalin) Hyatt, that's a heave it down there and see if we get a DPI (defensive pass interference) or we can go up and try to make a play. But he's, I thought, for three games he's been locked in. He's played well. He's seeing the field. He's delivered the ball where he needs to. Again, we had some opportunities to continue drives today, as well. I'm proud of how he's performed, how he's prepared. He's done a nice job for us."

I happen to agree with Daboll, and here are DJ's numbers for the past three games.

A) 16/28 178 yards 2 TD 0 Int 100 RTG 60.6 QBR
B) 24/34 236 yards 2 TD 0 Int 109 RTG 73.3 QBR
C) 29/40 281 yards 0 TD 1 Int 81. RTG 59.8 QBR

Grand total for the past 3 games

69/102 67% 4 TD 1 Int 96.6 RTG 64.5 QBR

His QBR would rank him 8th and his RTG would be 11th.

I know some would like to blame DJ for the loss, but he hasn't been the problem.

Slayton dropped a 3rd and 14 pass which hit him right in the chest.

Wan'dale dropped a 3rd and 6 which hit him right in the hands, and if he catches it more than likely scores a TD.

And finally, Nabers dropped a 4th and 8, perfectly thrown ball, but he got concussed.

The defense has also been a problem, especially the pass rush and run defense the last game.

Feel free to agree or disagree with me, but this is how I am seeing things.

Here is the link

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plus the INT was on a hail mary which dallas knew was coming.

Jones has played well enough for the Giants to be in the games. I didn't like the fact that Daboll didn't target the end zone once in the games. The lack of plays in the end zone is concerning to me it shows a lack of scheme and playbook seems very stale.

Just taking a shot at the end zone makes a lot of difference. Who knows you get a penalty and the ball is at the one. I feel that Daboll has left three games on the table. As for Jones he has to let the ball fly in those deep throws. He needs make like Elsa from Frozen and let it go.

I'm so bothered by not having one attempt inside the end zone. I hate that they played for the end zone line rather than the 10X50 yards of end zone.

Daboll can say that all he wants. Unfortunately Jones is not a winning QB. He is unable to elevate us and now teams know when we will run, he locks onto every WR, doesn't use the TE, won't change a play, and I fear he is gonna get Nabers hurt because he is over using him and now he's being targeted.

Daboll has always been deferential to Jones in public statements and I wouldn't expect that to be different. But Daboll also said (twice) that you'd like to hit the deep shots Jones is missing. And that has been a huge limitation on the offense.

I disagree the defense is a problem. It's solidly middle of the pack (both yards-per-play and scoring). That's a notable improvement from last year. Giants have had an opportunity to win every game this season. The offense is 29th in scoring. I don't know how you can look at this dynamic and come to the conclusion the offense is effective while the defense is not.

Quote from: President Rick on September 29, 2024, 12:20:09 PMplus the INT was on a hail mary which dallas knew was coming.

Exactly, and if you remove that DJ goes for three straight games with a 100 plus QB RTG.

Quote from: Giantleap56 on September 29, 2024, 12:35:03 PMJones has played well enough for the Giants to be in the games. I didn't like the fact that Daboll didn't target the end zone once in the games. The lack of plays in the end zone is concerning to me it shows a lack of scheme and playbook seems very stale.

Just taking a shot at the end zone makes a lot of difference. Who knows you get a penalty and the ball is at the one. I feel that Daboll has left three games on the table. As for Jones he has to let the ball fly in those deep throws. He needs make like Elsa from Frozen and let it go.

I'm so bothered by not having one attempt inside the end zone. I hate that they played for the end zone line rather than the 10X50 yards of end zone.

Fair enough, thanks for your thoughts

Quote from: Trench on September 29, 2024, 12:39:14 PMDaboll can say that all he wants. Unfortunately Jones is not a winning QB. He is unable to elevate us and now teams know when we will run, he locks onto every WR, doesn't use the TE, won't change a play, and I fear he is gonna get Nabers hurt because he is over using him and now he's being targeted.

Fair enough, I'm hearing you. Quick question, how do you know he won't change a play? Did Daboll remove the ability to audible? Just curious?

Quote from: sxdxca38 on September 29, 2024, 01:04:21 PMFair enough, I'm hearing you. Quick question, how do you know he won't change a play? Did Daboll remove the ability to audible? Just curious?

I assume he has changed plays (but from my vantage point it doesn't appear it's as frequent as other QBs)...analyzing him the way he locks on the target, I can only surmise when he gets a play in his mind he rarely deviates. It's an intangible I've come to get frustrated with him because I haven't seen any improvement

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on September 29, 2024, 12:49:45 PMDaboll has always been deferential to Jones in public statements and I wouldn't expect that to be different. But Daboll also said (twice) that you'd like to hit the deep shots Jones is missing. And that has been a huge limitation on the offense.

I disagree the defense is a problem. It's solidly middle of the pack (both yards-per-play and scoring). That's a notable improvement from last year. Giants have had an opportunity to win every game this season. The offense is 29th in scoring. I don't know how you can look at this dynamic and come to the conclusion the offense is effective while the defense is not.

Fair enough, and I agree that not connecting on the deep shots has been a problem.

In my original post, I was referencing the defense during the last game.

They only got one sack, and never made Prescott feel uncomfortable. Here were his numbers

22/27 221 yards 2 TD 0 Int 125 RTG

Defense was a problem last game, and they've got to do a better job than that, but once again this is just my opinion.

Quote from: Trench on September 29, 2024, 01:07:35 PMI assume he has changed plays (but from my vantage point it doesn't appear it's as frequent as other QBs)...analyzing him the way he locks on the target, I can only surmise when he gets a play in his mind he rarely deviates. It's an intangible I've come to get frustrated with him because I haven't seen any improvement

Fair enough, thanks for the answer

I'm just not sure what you expected Daboll to say with most of the season left. I also genuinely have run out of gas for a conversation about a player that Wont be here next year.

If we could've won on Thursday, today would feel so much different watching the NFL games

Quote from: Trench on September 29, 2024, 12:39:14 PMDaboll can say that all he wants. Unfortunately Jones is not a winning QB. He is unable to elevate us and now teams know when we will run, he locks onto every WR, doesn't use the TE, won't change a play, and I fear he is gonna get Nabers hurt because he is over using him and now he's being targeted.

If he is locking on to every receiver how does Jones complete any passes?  He completed 29 passes.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on September 29, 2024, 01:09:37 PMFair enough, and I agree that not connecting on the deep shots has been a problem.

In my original post, I was referencing the defense during the last game.

They only got one sack, and never made Prescott feel uncomfortable. Here were his numbers

22/27 221 yards 2 TD 0 Int 125 RTG

Defense was a problem last game, and they've got to do a better job than that, but once again this is just my opinion.

Understood re: the defense. But even just confining things to the Dallas game, Dallas averaged 3.5 yards per rush, so it's not as if the Cowboys were gashing them on the ground. 6 points in the second half gave the Giants a great chance to win the game. But the offense couldn't put the ball in the end zone.

I think a lot of the discussion around the defense changes entirely if the offense produces enough to win the games. That being said, I also think it's fair to demand more from Burns and Banks (though the former may simply be hold and cold, while the latter nothing more than a CB2). Not to mention Thibodeaux.