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Daboll also said he would trade for Daniels if he could on Hard Knocks.

To whom is he comparing these performances?

Daniel Jones?

Yes, compared to Daniel Jones, this young man is playing much better.

$40M yr better? Franchise QB better?

I don't think so.


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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on September 29, 2024, 01:31:08 PMYes, compared to Daniel Jones, this young man is playing much better.

Sort of. Not really though.

If you look at his 2024 season so far in its totality (instead of conveniently throwing out the week one game), you get total numbers that are inferior to his career averages. That would include his passer rating, YPA, TD/INT ratio, and PFF grade versus the average of the previous five year's grades.

So I'm not sure his play this year compares favorably to himself. The data would suggest otherwise.

Now sure, if you just go ahead and take the liberty of throwing a game away that messes up the argument you're trying to make, then ok fine, maybe. But as we all know you don't get to do that in the real world. Maybe I'm wrong, but something tells me if his week one game against the Vikes went well and produced good numbers, it would not have been omitted in the OP.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 29, 2024, 01:39:40 PMSort of. Not really though.

If you look at his 2024 season so far in its totality (instead of conveniently throwing out the week one game), you get total numbers that are inferior to his career averages. That would include his passer rating, YPA, TD/INT ratio, and PFF grade versus the average of the previous five year's grades.

So I'm not sure his play this year compares favorably to himself. The data would suggest otherwise.

Now sure, if you just go ahead and take the liberty of throwing a game away that messes up the argument you're trying to make, then ok fine, maybe. But as we all know you don't get to do that in the real world. Maybe I'm wrong, but something tells me if his week one game against the Vikes went well and produced good numbers, it would not have been omitted in the OP.

Fine points by you, overlooked by yours truly.

Speaking of the Vikings, in hindsight it would've been nice to sign Darnold instead of Lock.


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Quote from: Giantleap56 on September 29, 2024, 01:21:19 PMIf he is locking on to every receiver how does Jones complete any passes?  He completed 29 passes.

I attribute this to the quick short passes get the ball out.

What I am talking about is any route  10+ yards is where he locks on and it becomes magnified. I'm not making it up. Defensive players have literally stated it as such

"And finally, Nabers dropped a 4th and 8, perfectly thrown ball, but he got concussed."

No, not a perfectly thrown ball. It was way late because Jones can`t side-arm and takes him a while to square up and throw.
I can`t say Nabers wasn`t already concussed from a previous play in which Jones led him right into a collision.
See Tom Brady on keeping your receivers healthy.

I take it with a grain of salt.  We know he is not going to come out and say he has been terrible or that he is limited in what he can physically.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 29, 2024, 01:39:40 PMSort of. Not really though.

If you look at his 2024 season so far in its totality (instead of conveniently throwing out the week one game), you get total numbers that are inferior to his career averages. That would include his passer rating, YPA, TD/INT ratio, and PFF grade versus the average of the previous five year's grades.

So I'm not sure his play this year compares favorably to himself. The data would suggest otherwise.

Now sure, if you just go ahead and take the liberty of throwing a game away that messes up the argument you're trying to make, then ok fine, maybe. But as we all know you don't get to do that in the real world. Maybe I'm wrong, but something tells me if his week one game against the Vikes went well and produced good numbers, it would not have been omitted in the OP.

Dave,

I take it that your indirectly referencing me in this post, and that is fine, but the article and link that I shared in my OP shows that Daboll was referencing DJ's last three games, and not his fourth.

Hence the expression "locked in for the last 3 games", and the stats that I shared I believe support Dabolls statement.

Im now off for a brief walk.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 29, 2024, 01:39:40 PMSort of. Not really though.

If you look at his 2024 season so far in its totality (instead of conveniently throwing out the week one game), you get total numbers that are inferior to his career averages. That would include his passer rating, YPA, TD/INT ratio, and PFF grade versus the average of the previous five year's grades.

So I'm not sure his play this year compares favorably to himself. The data would suggest otherwise.

Now sure, if you just go ahead and take the liberty of throwing a game away that messes up the argument you're trying to make, then ok fine, maybe. But as we all know you don't get to do that in the real world. Maybe I'm wrong, but something tells me if his week one game against the Vikes went well and produced good numbers, it would not have been omitted in the OP.

You don't think that his first game in months, after only one half of live game preseason participation, behind an OL the had little time playing together (and gave up 5 sacks), on a team generally not ready to compete, against what turns out to be the #2 scoring defense (no matter what they were last year) is just perhaps not representative of his play, so far this year?

Quote from: AZGiantFan on September 29, 2024, 02:27:09 PMYou don't think that his first game in months, after only one half of live game preseason participation, behind an OL the had little time playing together (and gave up 5 sacks), on a team generally not ready to compete, against what turns out to be the #2 scoring defense (no matter what they were last year) is just perhaps not representative of his play, so far this year?

What I think is that the above sounds like an exhaustive but very typical litany of excuses about a very well paid, sixth year NFL QB who fully participated in minicamp, camp, joint team practices, scrimmages, and a preseason game.

Jones completed 72% of his passes that included 4 drops and several desperation passes at the end. Jones received the highest PFF grade of any other Giant player. Guess a lot of you aren't happy until he completes every pass. Even then it won't be good enough.

As to changing plays - we don't know the dynamics between him and Daboll. Does DJ have the freedom to do so? I do remember several "hot reads" called that were missed by the receivers. Regardless none of us here know, so speculating without concrete evidence doesn't justify the claim he can't, wont or doesn't know how/when.


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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 29, 2024, 02:36:01 PMWhat I think is that the above sounds like an exhaustive but very typical litany of excuses about a very well paid, sixth year NFL QB who fully participated in minicamp, camp, joint team practices, scrimmages, and a preseason game.

A career of excuses. And made for him by others. Too many enablers.

Quote from: todge on September 29, 2024, 02:46:54 PMJones completed 72% of his passes that included 4 drops and several desperation passes at the end. Jones received the highest PFF grade of any other Giant player. Guess a lot of you aren't happy until he completes every pass. Even then it won't be good enough.

As to changing plays - we don't know the dynamics between him and Daboll. Does DJ have the freedom to do so? I do remember several "hot reads" called that were missed by the receivers. Regardless none of us here know, so speculating without concrete evidence doesn't justify the claim he can't, wont or doesn't know how/when.


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Yet can't throw a TD at home. Last time was like 2 years ago I heard.

1st and goal and not one throw to the end zone ain't cutting it

Also can't win when it matters. That's the biggest problem so the stats can be whatever they are but so are the wins and losses

Unfortunately, most other teams have figured out the combination to that lock.

Quote from: todge on September 29, 2024, 02:46:54 PMJones completed 72% of his passes that included 4 drops and several desperation passes at the end. Jones received the highest PFF grade of any other Giant player. Guess a lot of you aren't happy until he completes every pass. Even then it won't be good enough.

21/29 completions were basically 5 yards or less (maybe a 6 or 7 thrown in there). Why should anyone care about DJ's completion percentage in a dink and dunk offense that doesn't get touchdowns? Unless I'm mistaken, the team who scores the most points wins--not the one who manages to manufacture a high completion offense.