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This doesn't sound ideal, in terms of his availability for Sunday


https://x.com/DDuggan21/status/1841516950163243464

https://x.com/RalphVacchiano/status/1841518286573359431


https://x.com/Dan_Salomone/status/1841517527907606906

Or a miracle occurs... with Nabers out, the other WR's and the TE's rise to the occasion (getting open once in a while) and our OL and RB's present us with an NFL-caliber run-attack... for a change. Bob

https://x.com/DDuggan21/status/1841528543945089102

We a 1-3 and he has a very bright future. I hope they sit him for another couple weeks. I don't want to see his career cut short with chronic concussions.

Sit him.

Jones needs to throw to someone else anyway.

Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2024, 02:00:44 PMWe a 1-3 and he has a very bright future. I hope they sit him for another couple weeks. I don't want to see his career cut short with chronic concussions.

Thank you! Excellent comment and I agree with you 100%!!!

All the folks wanting to crucify Ronnie Barnes for prematurely ending careers of players in the past, the very last thing any of us here should want is for his staff to give him a clean bill of health and he gets hurt even worse.

We don't need to see another Tua situation in the league and, especially so, with the Giants. Head trauma is a very real injury and affected players shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the field until they have been cleared as 100% recovered.

Let #1 recover completely before being allowed near the training facility!

Peace!

If medical professionals with degrees clear Nabers to play, and he wants to play, I would not hold him back. You can sit him for 5 weeks and he could get another concussion in his first game back. That's the reality.

I would not keep him out if the doctors say he's good to go and he himself wants to play. What's the point of that? Do people without medical degrees know more than people with them?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2024, 07:30:14 PMIf medical professionals with degrees clear Nabers to play, and he wants to play, I would not hold him back. You can sit him for 5 weeks and he could get another concussion in his first game back. That's the reality.

I would not keep him out if the doctors say he's good to go and he himself wants to play. What's the point of that? Do people without medical degrees know more than people with them?

It becomes a question of "can" he play vs "should" he play.  If the doctors clear him then he certainly can play.  As you said he could sit out 8 weeks and still get a concussion his first game back.  But should he play this week? I'm not sure.  The extra rest won't hurt his recovery it could only help, the team isn't going anywhere with or without him, Jones should probably learn how to throw to guys other than him anyway, and we get to see Hyatt get a game for a change. 

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2024, 07:30:14 PMIf medical professionals with degrees clear Nabers to play, and he wants to play, I would not hold him back. You can sit him for 5 weeks and he could get another concussion in his first game back. That's the reality.

I would not keep him out if the doctors say he's good to go and he himself wants to play. What's the point of that? Do people without medical degrees know more than people with them?

It has nothing to do regarding a doctor giving a "go/no-go" judgment call. It is a league requirement that each NFL Medical organization, along with NFL concussion protocol specialists, identify players whom, after contact on the field, be initially evaluated for the signs of concussion. If positively confirmed,that player enters the NFL's concussion protocol which the league has explicitly identified here:

NFL Concussion and Return To Play Protocol

This must be followed to the letter. Any violation of this will result in the league coming down hard on that club to include fines and possibly opening themselves up for loss of draft picks.


Peace!

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2024, 07:30:14 PMIf medical professionals with degrees clear Nabers to play, and he wants to play, I would not hold him back. You can sit him for 5 weeks and he could get another concussion in his first game back. That's the reality.

I would not keep him out if the doctors say he's good to go and he himself wants to play. What's the point of that? Do people without medical degrees know more than people with them?

The concussion protocols are pretty clear and even require independent verification.  So I am in complete agreement with the points you are making.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 03, 2024, 11:01:06 AMThe concussion protocols are pretty clear and even require independent verification.  So I am in complete agreement with the points you are making.

I disagree. The science of concussions is still evolving, and rapidly at that. What if five years from now the consensus is that regardless of severity the player needs to be held out at least a month? Obviously no one has a crystal ball but what's wrong with being overly cautious?

We are not close to being a playoff team. Losing him for a couple of weeks sucks but in the grand scheme of things it's nothing.

Quote from: madbadger on October 03, 2024, 12:54:11 PMI disagree. The science of concussions is still evolving, and rapidly at that. What if five years from now the consensus is that regardless of severity the player needs to be held out at least a month? Obviously no one has a crystal ball but what's wrong with being overly cautious?

We are not close to being a playoff team. Losing him for a couple of weeks sucks but in the grand scheme of things it's nothing.

I'm no doctor and have never even played one on TV or the internet.

However, I am human and have been injured. Those injuries, especially muscle/soft tissue, need time to recover from the trauma. A concussion is brain trauma; players correctly diagnosed as having been concussed should sit a minimum of 4 games. GAMES! This is a GAME these people are playing and there's no need to rush them back from a potentially life-threatening and debilitating brain injury.

Plus, the more games he sits, the less we likely win and get closer to a top pick in the draft.   

Another Giants first round draft pick that can't get on the field....I hope he can and concussions are nothing fool around with but   ugh.....another one

Quote from: madbadger on October 03, 2024, 12:54:11 PMI disagree. The science of concussions is still evolving, and rapidly at that. What if five years from now the consensus is that regardless of severity the player needs to be held out at least a month? Obviously no one has a crystal ball but what's wrong with being overly cautious?

We are not close to being a playoff team. Losing him for a couple of weeks sucks but in the grand scheme of things it's nothing.

I respect what you're saying, but my counterpoint to this is simply why is a coach in a better position to make the judgment of what is best for his health than the doctors?

If it is more dangerous than normal to Nabers to play this weekend I am 100% for him not playing. That's not in question.

But if the doctors do not give him that label, and he himself wants to play, then I just don't see why a coach should make an executive decision to deny him the ability to play. Why is the coach better qualified to come up with his prognosis of being sidelined than a doctor?

Nabers is pretty much the best player on the team, and this is a must-win game. Those are not legitimate reasons to play him if he is borderline, but they are realities to keep in mind for anyone who wants to sit him just because, even when the doctors are saying he's good to go.