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This is the perfect year to eval him.  He's got a true #1 WR and much better OL pass blocking plus an emerging RB.  There will always be an injury or two to deal with.

So far with what I've seen.  No way.  The stats with him that matter are his YPC and YPA.  Too many dink passes so he fails to move the chain and if close to end zone fails to score TDs.  Rest of his stats dont matter for his inadequacies.  He locks in on eapecially 3rd down short throws and fails.

Quote from: Trench on October 13, 2024, 11:06:29 PMDaniel Jones is a good person, a good Giant. Team guy.

Can we all agree once and for all that he is NOT the QB of our future?

His performance tonight on the national stage was abysmal and he did nothing to propel his team. This man hasn't thrown a TD pass at home in 2 years, cannot extend a drive at home, and is now 1-15 on national tv.

To all my Jones fans, I respectfully ask have we finally seen enough?

Barring some miracle turnaround, I would agree it seems unlikely that DJ is NYG's long-term answer.

Although looking beyond the question, it's not like there is a "franchise QB" aisle at the local grocery store where the team can get what they need. 

It's been my experience the three critical and most difficult positions for a team to fill are GM, Head Coach, and QB.  We seethe revolving door at HC and GM for so many teams, and it's far from certain the Giants have the answer at either HC or GM.

In terms of QB, even if you define franchise QB as just a top 10 statistical QB, that means over 2/3rds of the league is in need of a franchise QB.  That is a hell of a lot of competition.  Worse, drafting a QB in round one is more a lottery ticket than sure shopping in terms of acquiring what is needed.

Worse, with AT's injury issues becoming way too much, this team also likely needs to spend yet another high draft pick on a LT or swing tackle.

So, while some seem to be celebrating DJ's poor performance against Cincy, I see little reason for hope or optimism.   A lot of the reason I was more willing to be patient with DJ was appreciation that an alternative is far from assured.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on October 17, 2024, 12:39:32 AMComing back from an injury which he may still be rusty from is a possibility.  As is re-learning to play with some confidence in his OL, and having a running game.

Look, I'm not saying he's going to make it, but I'd like to see how he does for a season under better conditions than he's ever had previously before I close the book on him.  Hence my answer of no to the OP question.  It's not as if they really have any alternative on the roster.  Why would I want to write him off and expect the worst and be miserable every week?  Before I'd go that route I'd just stop following them and just tune out for the season and focus on my futbol team who have had a splendid start under a new manager.  I don't live and die by this stuff.

Agreed on the highlighted point. I think you and I and a few others had the same understanding earlier in the season that it was going to take a little time to shake the rust off and get used to the new line. That was a part of the frustration with giving him little time in the preseason to get up to speed in games that don't count versus going full throttle in the regular season. But, I digress.

I don't mind that other people are willing to give him the entire season. I don't mind that others have had their minds made up before the season. What I do mind is people trying to sway folks one way or the other.

I'm not so sure he plays all 17 games. These next four games will determine the balance of the season. If they 0-4 or 1-3, I think they may strongly consider putting him in bubble wrap for the season.

Quote from: T200 on October 17, 2024, 09:35:14 AMAgreed on the highlighted point. I think you and I and a few others had the same understanding earlier in the season that it was going to take a little time to shake the rust off and get used to the new line. That was a part of the frustration with giving him little time in the preseason to get up to speed in games that don't count versus going full throttle in the regular season. But, I digress.

I don't mind that other people are willing to give him the entire season. I don't mind that others have had their minds made up before the season. What I do mind is people trying to sway folks one way or the other.

I'm not so sure he plays all 17 games. These next four games will determine the balance of the season. If they 0-4 or 1-3, I think they may strongly consider putting him in bubble wrap for the season.

I agree with this. I also don't understand why fans need others to agree with them. It's going to play out either way.

I'm not so sure he plays all 17 games. These next four games will determine the balance of the season. If they 0-4 or 1-3, I think they may strongly consider putting him in bubble wrap for the season.
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Tim,

I actually believe the Giants should strongly consider benching him if they lose the next two games, which is a real possibility with the Eagles and Steelers games ahead.  Theoretically, a 2 - 6 record virtually eliminates them from playoff contention; at that point, they should consider their future. They gave DJ every chance to succeed this year; it simply hasn't worked out.   

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 17, 2024, 09:26:13 AMBarring some miracle turnaround, I would agree it seems unlikely that DJ is NYG's long-term answer.

Although looking beyond the question, it's not like there is a "franchise QB" aisle at the local grocery store where the team can get what they need. 

It's been my experience the three critical and most difficult positions for a team to fill are GM, Head Coach, and QB.  We seethe revolving door at HC and GM for so many teams, and it's far from certain the Giants have the answer at either HC or GM.

In terms of QB, even if you define franchise QB as just a top 10 statistical QB, that means over 2/3rds of the league is in need of a franchise QB.  That is a hell of a lot of competition.  Worse, drafting a QB in round one is more a lottery ticket than sure shopping in terms of acquiring what is needed.

Worse, with AT's injury issues becoming way too much, this team also likely needs to spend yet another high draft pick on a LT or swing tackle.

So, while some seem to be celebrating DJ's poor performance against Cincy, I see little reason for hope or optimism.   A lot of the reason I was more willing to be patient with DJ was appreciation that an alternative is far from assured.

Reasonable words Rich.  I think we probably should look for a OT in next draft somewhere in rounds 1-3.  AT simply cannot make an entire season.

Quote from: kingm56 on October 17, 2024, 09:48:43 AMI'm not so sure he plays all 17 games. These next four games will determine the balance of the season. If they 0-4 or 1-3, I think they may strongly consider putting him in bubble wrap for the season.


Tim,

I actually believe the Giants should strongly consider benching him if they lose the next two games, which is a real possibility with the Eagles and Steelers games ahead.  Theoretically, a 2 - 6 record virtually eliminates them from playoff contention; at that point, they should consider their future. They gave DJ every chance to succeed this year; it simply hasn't worked out.   

It's a tricky situation for sure. I truly believe that without the injury clause, Daboll would play Jones all 17 games unless he was hurt.

Pulling him, I strongly feel, is going to be Schoen's call, not Daboll's. Why? Because we're talking cap dollars for next year that Joe may or may not be able to use depending on DJ's health this season.

I believe you play Daniel Jones for the full year regardless of what happens. Benching him only leads to further doubt, as it will leave more questions unanswered. If you play him for the full year and he fails well then you get your answer, however if he's able to rise above the occasion, then you get your answer. Either way the answer will become clear, however benching him will not solve that equation.

Just my opinion.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on October 17, 2024, 11:11:35 AMI believe you play Daniel Jones for the full year regardless of what happens. Benching him only leads to further doubt, as it will leave more questions unanswered. If you play him for the full year and he fails well then you get your answer, however if he's able to rise above the occasion, then you get your answer. Either way the answer will become clear, however benching him will not solve that equation.

Just my opinion.

Playing Jones all year, when all indications seem to point to a non-playoff year, is very bad for 2 main reasons:
First, if he gets injured, he activates his injury clause and we're "stuck" with him next year.
Second, he's just good enough to win a few meaningless games, putting us further out of reach of the top draftees.
But wish what you may   

Quote from: T200 on October 17, 2024, 09:35:14 AM.
I don't mind that other people are willing to give him the entire season. I don't mind that others have had their minds made up before the season. What I do mind is people trying to sway folks one way or the other.
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Exactly.  And that is why I gave my succinct no answer to the OP question.

Quote from: WheresDayne on October 17, 2024, 11:32:58 AMPlaying Jones all year, when all indications seem to point to a non-playoff year, is very bad for 2 main reasons:
First, if he gets injured, he activates his injury clause and we're "stuck" with him next year.
Second, he's just good enough to win a few meaningless games, putting us further out of reach of the top draftees.
But wish what you may   

Injury clause only hits if he can't pass a physical before--I believe--March 17th, 2025 (5 days after new league year, per his contract). If he pulls a hammy or something, that won't put the Giants on the hook. It's got to be something significant. Now, yes, he has those sorts of injuries with relative frequency, so the risk is still there. Just clarifying.

Quote from: Trench on October 13, 2024, 11:06:29 PMDaniel Jones is a good person, a good Giant. Team guy.

Can we all agree once and for all that he is NOT the QB of our future?

His performance tonight on the national stage was abysmal and he did nothing to propel his team. This man hasn't thrown a TD pass at home in 2 years, cannot extend a drive at home, and is now 1-15 on national tv.

To all my Jones fans, I respectfully ask have we finally seen enough?

i think we all have known that for quite some time. the question moreso lately has been is he good enough to keep starting?

Quote from: 4 Aces on October 14, 2024, 10:16:18 AMAbsolutely.

I've held out, and due to his size, speed, attitude, work ethic and toughness was willing to give him a chance with a stabilized supporting cast. I also had a soft spot due to the HORRIFIC circumstances he's played in here. I do think people deserve things sometimes and I felt DJ deserved a fair shot.

I'm done. He cannot do it.

i think this is how most people have viewed the situation.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 17, 2024, 11:56:43 AMInjury clause only hits if he can't pass a physical before--I believe--March 17th, 2025 (5 days after new league year, per his contract). If he pulls a hammy or something, that won't put the Giants on the hook. It's got to be something significant. Now, yes, he has those sorts of injuries with relative frequency, so the risk is still there. Just clarifying.

with Thomas out for the year, the risk increased substancially

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 17, 2024, 12:57:54 PMwith Thomas out for the year, the risk increased substancially

That's a good point and has to be part of calculus.  Regardless, he should get a min of one more start, two if practical.