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He's got a 90.5 PFF grade to go along with 5 interceptions.

At the time I thought it was the right move to let him go and move on, as I didn't think he'd be this good, but he really is playing at an elite level.

Another solid player that the team didn't re-sign, blossoming on another team.

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It's refreshing to see an OP owning a call made in the past that one may feel differently about now. Kudos for that.

I too was fine with letting McKinney walk. I had no doubt he was a good player, but you can't sign everyone, and safety is not a high priority position (assuming we're not talking about someone like Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu, which were not).

Still, it's never that enjoyable to see a former player delivering at this level for another team.

I think they made the right call. sometimes scheme can hold a guy back or make him better. he was good here but not great. he got paid like he was great and he is earning it. it happens.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 18, 2024, 04:41:29 AMSXD,

It's refreshing to see an OP owning a call made in the past that one may feel differently about now. Kudos for that.

I too was fine with letting McKinney walk. I had no doubt he was a good player, but you can't sign everyone, and safety is not a high priority position (assuming we're not talking about someone like Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu, which were not).

Still, it's never that enjoyable to see a former player delivering at this level for another team.

Thank you, I didn't see him becoming this good, but granted I don't watch many packer games.

Hopefully the safeties the Giants have emerge as well and soften this blow.

Great signing for the packers though

6 good games or not, spending that kind of money on a safety is absolutely never the right move.

Totally fine with their decision to move on.

You have to make difficult decisions when dealing with a hard salary cap. Schoen's philosophy is to not invest big dollars into safeties and running backs.


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How many time are we going to keep letting pro-bowl caliber safeties walk away after their rookie contracts are done? No Giants GM has re-signed a drafted safety to contract #2 since Sean Williams! DaveBrown says the position is not a priority but why? Obviously other teams think differently.

Look I know our D has improved in spite of losing 2 starting safeties 2 off seasons in row but I completely disagree that you have to be Ed Reed or Palamalo to be retained (they would destroy our cap). It's mind blowing how the majority of this forum are perfectly fine letting a 26 year old 4 year starter who had 116 tackles a year ago just walk away.

The Giants currently have a top 10 defense, despite playing with the NFLs #29 ranked scoring offense.  If they signed XM, it would have prevented them from allocating resources to other areas on defense.  Nubin is also having a very good rookie campaign and should only get better.  From a macro perspective, I continue to believe letting XM walk was the correct choice, as evident by the current defensive ranking/performance. 

Quote from: kingm56 on October 18, 2024, 12:58:28 PMThe Giants currently have a top 10 defense, despite playing with the NFLs #29 ranked scoring offense.  If they signed XM, it would have prevented them from allocating resources to other areas on defense.  Nubin is also having a very good rookie campaign and should only get better.  From a macro perspective, I continue to believe letting XM walk was the correct choice, as evident by the current defensive ranking/performance.

I was about to answer and mention that if they signed him, the Burns trade and sign might not have happened.  There is always a way to manipulate the cap, but at some point the team has to pay the piper.

I liked McKinney as a Giant and I think the GB coaches have really allowed him to shine.  I still don't think they should have signed him for that money.   

Another sign that " he who shall not say his name" ( Gettleman) was actually pretty good in drafting.

Quote from: GloryDays on October 18, 2024, 05:26:06 PMAnother sign that " he who shall not say his name" ( Gettleman) was actually pretty good in drafting.

He was not.

Quote from: Gmo11 on October 18, 2024, 09:42:53 PMHe was not.

He was objectively terrible. You don't achieve the NFLs literal worst record by being "pretty good at drafting."   Like a broken clock, he happened to be correct a few times.

FWIW: there's some gaps in here for guys I'm probably forgetting but:

2005: Giants draft Gibril Wilson
2008: Giants draft Kenny Phillips
2010: Giants sign Antrell Rolle (highest S contract in history at that point)
2015: Giants draft Landon Collins
2019: Giants draft Julian Love
2020: Giants draft Xavier McKinney
2024: Giants draft Tyler Nubin

Add in some FA finds like Jason Pinnock? This team does well with churning the safety position.

I'm curious if any of you x & o guys have seen enough Green Bay games to derermine the reason for hime great improvement.  Has he just gotten better?  Are the players around him good enough to elevate hid play?  Is is scheme?  Coaching.

Quote from: Hadron on October 19, 2024, 06:21:50 PMFWIW: there's some gaps in here for guys I'm probably forgetting but:

2005: Giants draft Gibril Wilson
2008: Giants draft Kenny Phillips
2010: Giants sign Antrell Rolle (highest S contract in history at that point)
2015: Giants draft Landon Collins
2019: Giants draft Julian Love
2020: Giants draft Xavier McKinney
2024: Giants draft Tyler Nubin

Add in some FA finds like Jason Pinnock? This team does well with churning the safety position.

That doesn't mean you should keep churning over and over when you can resign some of them and use the draft allocation at another position.