Big Blue Huddle

OFFENSE

Heroes

None (obviously)

Goats

Theo Johnson
Drew Lock (a terrible 26.8)

DJ- 62.8

DEFENSE

Heroes

Dexter Lawrence
Tomon Fox
Darius Muasau
Elijah Chatman
Brian Burns
Andru Phillips
Tyler Nubin

Goats

Jordon Riley
Deonte Banks
Patrick Johnson

https://x.com/PFF_Giants/status/1848396607126999381

The Pass Blocking wasn't nearly as bad as advertised.

Theo- 81.8
Jermaine Eluemunor- 76.6
Chris Manhertz- 74.5
Runyan- 74.2
Tracy- 73.4
GVR- 70.2
Josh- 65.6......2 Sacks but only 3 total pressures
JMS- 30.7
Singletary- 26.9

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 21, 2024, 12:34:59 PMThe Pass Blocking wasn't nearly as bad as advertised.

Theo- 81.8
Jermaine Eluemunor- 76.6
Chris Manhertz- 74.5
Runyan- 74.2
Tracy- 73.4
GVR- 70.2
Josh- 65.6......2 Sacks but only 3 total pressures
JMS- 30.7
Singletary- 26.9

I would remove the players with single digit pass blocking (in this case the highest single digit pass blocking plays is 3 by two players)

That leaves


Jermaine Eluemunor- 76.6
Runyan- 74.2
GVR- 70.2
Josh- 65.6......2 Sacks but only 3 total pressures
JMS- 30.7

That is essentially the offensive line.  There appears to be one of Daniel Jeremiah's proverbial tomato cans with JMS.   Worse, that tomato can was in the middle of the line, the last place a QB wants to get pressure from.

Is it time to buy a center in the offseason so a new QB has a proven vet there next year?

My feeling on the line is that it's largely better, but still very average or just adequate.  Run blocking is not good.  Feel like a plus player on the interior would make a big difference, either guard position.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on October 21, 2024, 12:48:39 PMIs it time to buy a center in the offseason so a new QB has a proven vet there next year?

My feeling on the line is that it's largely better, but still very average or just adequate.  Run blocking is not good.  Feel like a plus player on the interior would make a big difference, either guard position.

I wouldn't mind making Trey Smith RG the marquee signing for them in FA

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 21, 2024, 12:42:52 PMI would remove the players with single digit pass blocking (in this case the highest single digit pass blocking plays is 3 by two players)

That leaves


Jermaine Eluemunor- 76.6
Runyan- 74.2
GVR- 70.2
Josh- 65.6......2 Sacks but only 3 total pressures
JMS- 30.7

That is essentially the offensive line.  There appears to be one of Daniel Jeremiah's proverbial tomato cans with JMS.  Worse, that tomato can was in the middle of the line, the last place a QB wants to get pressure from.

The Giants' Pass Blocking was 69.2 for this game and about their season average of 69.4 or 14th in the league. Jones' Passing grade Under pressure is 30.7 and his Time To Throw is 2.79 or 14th in the league, but he has allowed 5 sacks on himself, or the 6th highest, and 17 Pressures, or 3rd highest in the league. 19% of all pressures are on Daniel Jones. 

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 21, 2024, 01:01:03 PMThe Giants' Pass Blocking was 69.2 for this game and about their season average of 69.4 or 14th in the league. Jones' Passing grade Under pressure is 30.7 and his Time To Throw is 2.79 or 14th in the league, but he has allowed 5 sacks on himself, or the 6th highest, and 17 Pressures, or 3rd highest in the league. 19% of all pressures are on Daniel Jones. 

I don't agree with PFF's assessment, as pass blocking is more than numbers.  PFF acknowledges the interior was giving up serious pressures.   That means DJ and Lock didn't have the ability to step up when their two OTs (who PFF acknowledges played okay rather than well) would give up pressures.  Plus, DJ and Lock had to hold the ball longer as Mark Sanchez pointed out there were many plays where the receivers were not getting open.

I am not pretending that DJ played well, but I am also mindful that regardless of PFF's grades, the offensive line play was again bottom five, at least from how I saw it.

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 21, 2024, 01:01:03 PMThe Giants' Pass Blocking was 69.2 for this game and about their season average of 69.4 or 14th in the league. Jones' Passing grade Under pressure is 30.7 and his Time To Throw is 2.79 or 14th in the league, but he has allowed 5 sacks on himself, or the 6th highest, and 17 Pressures, or 3rd highest in the league. 19% of all pressures are on Daniel Jones. 

In the 1st half there was multiple plays where he double and triple pumped.  Indecisive/hesitant

Giants pass pro was better than the Eagles

Quote from: uconnjack8 on October 21, 2024, 01:13:11 PMIn the 1st half there was multiple plays where he double and triple pumped.  Indecisive/hesitant

Or there were no receivers open


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Quote from: todge on October 24, 2024, 12:44:25 PMOr there were no receivers open


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The problems that Jones incurs is when he doesn't set his front foot on the side to throw, he's inaccurate. He when he doesn't feel the rush for example in his first sack where he had time to hit 29 in the left flat. When he drops back too far or bails the pocket when he had protection by stepping up. Things break down. One play where Nabors was open on a Shallow Crosser and he had time, he didn't throw the ball and then had to bail the pocket. Yes, in the previous same play, he didn't have time and took a sack, but it affected him on that second play. The timing of a pass play is so important, that if a QB misses a short window, the coverage is closed. Then by bailing the pocket or not stepping up to let a play develop, he loses an opportunity. What he does do well, is he doesn't slide to the pass side or over hitch. He has good feet.