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Quote from: AZGiantFan on October 25, 2024, 12:21:04 PMWho traded away the 1st and 2nd rounders that left him with the 3rd rounder as his first pick?  This argument is like the guy who murdered his parents and then begged for mercy because he was an orphan.

OK what about the other 5 years he was picking before being fired. His highest pick in the last 6 years or so was Mac Jones at 15 I believe.

Quote from: Fletch on October 25, 2024, 12:37:47 PMOK what about the other 5 years he was picking before being fired. His highest pick in the last 6 years or so was Mac Jones at 15 I believe.

What you are missing, is the fact that Belichick, drafted, and also, traded the picks, that was all his own doing

QuoteIt would've meant a new GM, HC, and QB in 2018; and blowing up the roster and building a new one from the ground up.

If you want to go back to the Eli years, it means doing an honest rebuild instead of patching the team and looking for lightning to strike. As an example, in the 2014 draft, 2 foundational picks were available for the Giants - Aaron Donald and Zach Martin. Consensus was either would've been great. We picked the shiny toy - Beckham. Nice player for awhile, but he didn't translate into wins.

The Eli years in 2014 ?

A Donold retired last year; Zach Martin is a Guard and probably is also retired and sailing his yacht or farming in Tennessee or whatever. SO now drafting an all pro WR is trying to run it back with Eli when they were a SB winner 3 years before?

OBJ is still playing incidentally. Obvious not the same but still....

I mean we held onto Shep about 4 years longer than we should have.

Quote from: MrGap92 on October 25, 2024, 01:19:12 PMWhat you are missing, is the fact that Belichick, drafted, and also, traded the picks, that was all his own doing

He was still trading / losing from NFL discipline picks at late in the first round however.

New England is the only team in the NFL to be without a first-round pick six times since the turn of the century. Even though every pick the Patriots ultimately traded (or lost) would have been in the back half of the first round – the average original pick placement was 25th – that's still quite a few potential impact players who never wound up in Foxboro


https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/history-of-pats-trading-out-of-first-round-is-mostly-positive/178388/

Quote from: Fletch on October 25, 2024, 02:25:34 PMHe was still trading / losing from NFL discipline picks at late in the first round however.

New England is the only team in the NFL to be without a first-round pick six times since the turn of the century. Even though every pick the Patriots ultimately traded (or lost) would have been in the back half of the first round – the average original pick placement was 25th – that's still quite a few potential impact players who never wound up in Foxboro


https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/history-of-pats-trading-out-of-first-round-is-mostly-positive/178388/

Idk what your point is, that is a result of his own decision making. That's on hik for passing on the chances to get impact players.

Quote from: MrGap92 on October 25, 2024, 02:27:11 PMIdk what your point is, that is a result of his own decision making. That's on hik for passing on the chances to get impact players.

25 on average is pretty low to be picking right? Whether you trade them or pick them...you agree?

This is all moot now because Mara has publicly made it clear he's not firing anyone this year, and whether you like Mara or not, it's hard to accuse him of not being a man of his word.

However, I have never seen much chance of Belichick taking over the Giants, whether I want him to or not (I don't). Two main reasons for this:

(1) Belichick is a guy who wants total control or at least a great deal of control. That is what he had in New England, that is what he is used to, and I can't see him veering away from that in his older age assuming. The Giants simply don't operate that way, and even if Mara tries to tell him he'll back off, I don't see Belichick believing that.

(2) Belichick has an ego. I think the fact that he won all these championships with Brady and then got fired within 3 years after Brady left while Brady went off and won a title elsewhere bruised his ego. For his swan song, I just don't see him going to a bad team, and we're pretty obviously a bad team.

Again, all of this is moot, because Mara has already stated he is not firing anyone after this year, but even if he were, I think the odds of Belichick coming to the Giants would have been extremely low.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 25, 2024, 02:36:07 PMThis is all moot now because Mara has publicly made it clear he's not firing anyone this year, and whether you like Mara or not, it's hard to accuse him of not being a man of his word.

However, I have never seen much chance of Belichick taking over the Giants, whether I want him to or not (I don't). Two main reasons for this:

(1) Belichick is a guy who wants total control or at least a great deal of control. That is what he had in New England, that is what he is used to, and I can't see him veering away from that in his older age assuming. The Giants simply don't operate that way, and even if Mara tries to tell him he'll back off, I don't see Belichick believing that.

(2) Belichick has an ego. I think the fact that he won all these championships with Brady and then got fired within 3 years after Brady left while Brady went off and won a title elsewhere bruised his ego. For his swan song, I just don't see him going to a bad team, and we're pretty obviously a bad team.

Again, all of this is moot, because Mara has already stated he is not firing anyone after this year, but even if he were, I think the odds of Belichick coming to the Giants would have been extremely low.

Jeff,

A point of clarification.  Mara says he doesn't forsee firing them this offseason.  That leaves quite a bit of wiggle room to change his mind.  In fact, Mara had made a similar declaration of support for Judge and Gettleman before firing them at the end of the season.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 25, 2024, 02:39:48 PMJeff,

A point of clarification.  Mara says he doesn't forsee firing them this offseason.  That leaves quite a bit of wiggle room to change his mind.  In fact, Mara had made a similar declaration of support for Judge and Gettleman before firing them at the end of the season.

Fair enough Rich. I made it sound like it was a 100% guarantee, and you're right - it isn't that.

Still, I do believe that what Mara said significantly reduces the chances of either of these men being fired this year. I agree that it's not impossible though, and you're right to point that out because I admit my previous post kind of implied it was.