Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Fletch on October 29, 2024, 01:16:18 PM@ todge

So do you honestly think Daniel Jones is a good QB, just unlucky for 6 years playing ona badly coached / bad roster team?

He comes up small in every big moment. And it is every big moment.

Idon't believe everyone thinks there is not a lot of blame to go around but, there are also some pleasant surprises with this group. Rookies on defense are playing good and Burns looks like the expensive free agent pass rusher he is sometimes. Nabers looks good, and before THomas got hurt -- the oline looked good as well.

After 6 years, I think it's fair to say that just about everyone on this board has taken a stance one way or another on Jones.

Quote from: todge on October 29, 2024, 01:01:14 PMThe Giants had plenty of problems last night. Just blaming the loss on the QB is an inaccurate assessment of the real issues.

So go ahead and adopt the attitude that all this team needs to do is get a new QB and all will be well. The other 21 players, the coaches and the officials affect Ws and Ls.


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Of course there is more than just the QB that contributed to the loss. The QB is the most important player on the field and his hands are on the ball for every offensive snap. Without a passing game, the offense is one-dimensional. In today's league, not that I have to tell you, it takes a very good quarterback to be a consistent contender.

In big ways and small ways, Jones negatively affects the ability of this team to win games, week in and week out. No, he's not the only one: missed blocks, dropped passes, wrong routes, etc. play into it as well. The QB is the straw that stirs the offensive drink.

A better QB with this same roster will not be 2-6.

Quote from: kingm56 on October 29, 2024, 01:25:10 PMAs speculated, they'll wait until the bye or before the panthers game.

If they are going to sit him. I agree, it's either Germany or after the bye.

Daboll is a problem. Jones is a big problem...is there a veteran   qb available for trade ?
Just to try and stabilize this offense


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Quote from: Woody on October 29, 2024, 02:22:02 PMDaboll is a problem. Jones is a big problem...is there a veteran   qb available for trade ?
Just to try and stabilize this offense


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No.  But if they learned enough from last year to not make the same mistakes twice and just continue down this path and lose as many games as possible they can replace the QB in the draft.

Nobody expected the Giants to win that game. The game was much closer than I expected.

Quote from: MrGap92 on October 29, 2024, 12:13:17 PMBoth Tyrod and DeVito ran the offense just as good, if not better last year.

At the very least, Jones has never played $35M+ plus better than them.

Lock is probably worse though.

DeVito faced Washington and the Patriots, the two worst teams in the league. DeVito did absolutely nothing after Green Bay and was benched after five games. He's not even on the active roster now.

Jones faced Buffalo, 49ers, Dallas and Miami which were all top 5 teams. Jones also had to play without Thomas who sustained an injured hamstring. The offensive line that Jones had to deal with was on pace to set a NFL record for sacks. The NFL doesn't record hits and hurries which were so bad, DJ had less than 3 seconds of pocket time.

Regardless, I'm pretty sure we'll hear from you  once again that DeVito played better than Jones last year. Sorry but DeVito is not a better QB than Daniel Jones.


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Quote from: todge on October 29, 2024, 04:55:08 PMDeVito faced Washington and the Patriots, the two worst teams in the league. DeVito did absolutely nothing after Green Bay and was benched after five games. He's not even on the active roster now.

Jones faced Buffalo, 49ers, Dallas and Miami which were all top 5 teams. Jones also had to play without Thomas who sustained an injured hamstring. The offensive line that Jones had to deal with was on pace to set a NFL record for sacks. The NFL doesn't record hits and hurries which were so bad, DJ had less than 3 seconds of pocket time.

Regardless, I'm pretty sure we'll hear from you  once again that DeVito played better than Jones last year. Sorry but DeVito is not a better QB than Daniel Jones.


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Wow, such a high bar to clear, right?

IDC who the teams are, he won as many game last season than Jones has this year and last combined. Throw in Tyrods against the Eagles and Redskins, and Jones's backups have won more than he has. That is just a fact of life.

Also, great job putting words in my mouth lol

Quote from: MrGap92 on October 29, 2024, 05:21:35 PMWow, such a high bar to clear, right?

IDC who the teams are, he won as many game last season than Jones has this year and last combined. Throw in Tyrods against the Eagles and Redskins, and Jones's backups have won more than he has. That is just a fact of life.

Also, great job putting words in my mouth lol

Quote from: todge on October 29, 2024, 04:55:08 PMDeVito faced Washington and the Patriots, the two worst teams in the league. DeVito did absolutely nothing after Green Bay and was benched after five games. He's not even on the active roster now.

Jones faced Buffalo, 49ers, Dallas and Miami which were all top 5 teams. Jones also had to play without Thomas who sustained an injured hamstring. The offensive line that Jones had to deal with was on pace to set a NFL record for sacks. The NFL doesn't record hits and hurries which were so bad, DJ had less than 3 seconds of pocket time.

Regardless, I'm pretty sure we'll hear from you  once again that DeVito played better than Jones last year. Sorry but DeVito is not a better QB than Daniel Jones.


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What I find interesting is when fans chose to consider quality of opponents.  In 2019, 60% of DJs TDs/yards game against three opponents with bottom 5 defenses and a combined record of 13-34-1 (Wash, Jets and Det). In 2022, DJ feasted against bottom tier defenses (Houston, Ind, and Minn) and struggled against top-tier defenses (Dal and Phili).  Some fans also don't want to discuss that the 'magical road playoff' win came against the NFL's #31 defense. It's something I find humorous. 

Quote from: todge on October 29, 2024, 04:55:08 PMDeVito faced Washington and the Patriots, the two worst teams in the league. DeVito did absolutely nothing after Green Bay and was benched after five games. He's not even on the active roster now.

Jones faced Buffalo, 49ers, Dallas and Miami which were all top 5 teams. Jones also had to play without Thomas who sustained an injured hamstring. The offensive line that Jones had to deal with was on pace to set a NFL record for sacks. The NFL doesn't record hits and hurries which were so bad, DJ had less than 3 seconds of pocket time.

Regardless, I'm pretty sure we'll hear from you  once again that DeVito played better than Jones last year. Sorry but DeVito is not a better QB than Daniel Jones.


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Yeah, it's awful that people get drunk on productive vs. Bad teams.

Couldn't agree more.

Quote from: kingm56 on October 29, 2024, 06:26:00 PMWhat I find interesting is when fans chose to consider quality of opponents.  In 2019, 60% of DJs TDs/yards game against three opponents with bottom 5 defenses and combined records of 13-34-1 (Wash, Jets and Det). In 2022, DJ feasted against bottom tier defenses (Houston, Ind, and Minn) and struggled against top-tier defenses (Dal and Phili), The don't want to discuss that the road playoff win came against the NFL's #31 defense. It's something I find humorous. 

Same, it is funny


When defending Jones, stuff like that doesn't apply apparently.

When others do it, it was because the teams are bad, but if Jones does it he is the amazing Daniel. 

Just because it is a playoff game, some get blinded by the overachievement that realistically hurt the team more than it helped. We took a step away from sustainable success for the sake of a mere 5 minutes of joy.

He isn't Danny Dimes, He is a dime a dozen.

Quote from: kingm56 on October 29, 2024, 01:25:10 PMAs speculated, they'll wait until the bye or before the panthers game.

What's their rationale? They think they still have a shot at the postseason just because it's not mathematically impossible?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 29, 2024, 07:55:50 PMWhat's their rationale? They think they still have a shot at the postseason just because it's not mathematically impossible?

The bye is logical to allow the QB maximum time to prepare with the "ones."  I suggested a few weeks ago to execute the switch before Carolina as to not sway public opinion against the move/team, as it's likely DJ could have one of his three/four good games a year against the NFLs worst team. If I'm the HC, I execute the move before that game to avoid any controversy. 

Quote from: kingm56 on October 29, 2024, 06:26:00 PMWhat I find interesting is when fans chose to consider quality of opponents.  In 2019, 60% of DJs TDs/yards game against three opponents with bottom 5 defenses and a combined record of 13-34-1 (Wash, Jets and Det). In 2022, DJ feasted against bottom tier defenses (Houston, Ind, and Minn) and struggled against top-tier defenses (Dal and Phili).  Some fans also don't want to discuss that the 'magical road playoff' win came against the NFL's #31 defense. It's something I find humorous. 

Careful.  You're bringing facts into a Daniel Jones argument.  They have no place here...according to some anyway.

When Daniel Jones finally goes no team will be clamoring for him to be their starter.