Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 29, 2024, 03:28:19 PMProbably a little of both.  Drops are often an indication of a lack of attention to detail or lack of concentration.  It can also be an indicator of a player's lack of ability.  With so many players dropping balls, I think it's an organizational rather than an individual issue.

When a RB who was a former WR is suffering the drops, it makes one wonder

One of Naber's scouting "negatives" was drops. Same for Slayton. I don't believe anyone knows why.


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Maybe they should stand 3 feet away from a jugs gun in their skivvies and have balls fired at them. Catch it or get blown up. lol

WanDale is in the middle of the pack for drops, looking at receivers in the NFL with at least 20 catches. Slayton and Nabers are lower but I think the names at the bottom of this list might surprise some people.

It is not just the pure number of drops everyone should be looking at. It is the targets and the number of balls thrown to them that are considered catchable.
Wan'Dale Robinson and Malik Nabers are among the league leaders in drops. They are also in the top 10 in the NFL  targets and receptions.
Rashid Shaheed on the other hand doesn't have a drop yet this year, but has only seen 21 catchable balls on 41 targets.

Player   REC   CATCHABLE   DROP   Drop/Catchable
Rashid Shaheed (NO)   20   21   0   0%
A.J. Brown (PHI)   21   21   0   0%
DeVonta Smith (PHI)   31   31   0   0%
Khalil Shakir (BUF)   36   36   0   0%
DJ Moore (CHI)   33   33   0   0%
Tee Higgins (CIN)   29   29   0   0%
Michael Pittman Jr. (IND)   29   29   0   0%
Jalen Tolbert (DAL)   27   27   0   0%
Tre Tucker (LV)   23   23   0   0%
Ray-Ray McCloud III (ATL)   29   29   0   0%
Terry McLaurin (WAS)   40   41   1   2%
Nico Collins (HOU)   32   33   1   3%
Jakobi Meyers (LV)   31   32   1   3%
Tyreek Hill (MIA)   30   31   1   3%
Christian Kirk (JAC)   27   28   1   4%
Chris Godwin (TB)   50   52   2   4%
Davante Adams (NYJ)   25   26   1   4%
Ja'Marr Chase (CIN)   48   50   2   4%
Rashee Rice (KC)   24   25   1   4%
Cooper Kupp (LAR)   23   24   1   4%
CeeDee Lamb (DAL)   45   47   2   4%
Amon-Ra St. Brown (DET)   41   43   2   5%
Zay Flowers (BAL)   41   43   2   5%
Rome Odunze (CHI)   20   21   1   5%
Xavier Worthy (KC)   19   20   1   5%
Drake London (ATL)   48   51   3   6%
Wan'Dale Robinson (NYG)   48   51   3   6%
Josh Downs (IND)   32   34   2   6%
Stefon Diggs (HOU)   47   50   3   6%
Chris Olave (NO)   31   33   2   6%
Ladd McConkey (LAC)   30   32   2   6%
Diontae Johnson (BAL)   30   32   2   6%
Courtland Sutton (DEN)   29   31   2   6%
Elijah Moore (CLE)   30   31   2   6%
Jaxon Smith-Njigba (SEA)   43   46   3   7%
Justin Jefferson (MIN)   41   44   3   7%
Michael Wilson (ARI)   27   29   2   7%
Mike Evans (TB)   26   28   2   7%
Garrett Wilson (NYJ)   51   54   4   7%
Jauan Jennings (SF)   25   27   2   7%
Deebo Samuel Sr. (SF)   24   26   2   8%
Tutu Atwell (LAR)   24   26   2   8%
Brian Thomas Jr. (JAC)   33   36   3   8%
Rashod Bateman (BAL)   22   24   2   8%
Greg Dortch (ARI)   21   23   2   9%
Tyler Boyd (TEN)   21   23   2   9%
Allen Lazard (NYJ)   30   33   3   9%
Lil'Jordan Humphrey (DEN)   19   21   2   10%
DeMario Douglas (NE)   28   31   3   10%
Malik Nabers (NYG)   46   51   5   10%
George Pickens (PIT)   35   40   4   10%
DK Metcalf (SEA)   35   39   4   10%
Romeo Doubs (GB)   26   29   3   10%
Tank Dell (HOU)   24   27   3   11%
Tyler Lockett (SEA)   31   35   4   11%
Calvin Ridley (TEN)   22   25   3   12%
Xavier Legette (CAR)   22   25   3   12%
Darius Slayton (NYG)   29   33   4   12%
Keon Coleman (BUF)   21   24   3   13%
Marvin Harrison Jr. (ARI)   26   30   4   13%
Jerry Jeudy (CLE)   26   30   4   13%
Brandon Aiyuk (SF)   25   30   4   13%
Olamide Zaccheaus (WAS)   19   22   3   14%
Darnell Mooney (ATL)   36   43   6   14%
Jaylen Waddle (MIA)   26   31   5   16%
Jayden Reed (GB)   31   37   6   16%
Dontayvion Wicks (GB)   16   21   5   24%
Amari Cooper (BUF)   29   40   11   28%

Quote from: bamagiantfan on October 31, 2024, 06:49:10 PMWanDale is in the middle of the pack for drops, looking at receivers in the NFL with at least 20 catches. Slayton and Nabers are lower but I think the names at the bottom of this list might surprise some people.

It is not just the pure number of drops everyone should be looking at. It is the targets and the number of balls thrown to them that are considered catchable.
Wan'Dale Robinson and Malik Nabers are among the league leaders in drops. They are also in the top 10 in the NFL  targets and receptions.
Rashid Shaheed on the other hand doesn't have a drop yet this year, but has only seen 21 catchable balls on 41 targets.

Player   REC   CATCHABLE   DROP   Drop/Catchable
Rashid Shaheed (NO)   20   21   0   0%
A.J. Brown (PHI)   21   21   0   0%
DeVonta Smith (PHI)   31   31   0   0%
Khalil Shakir (BUF)   36   36   0   0%
DJ Moore (CHI)   33   33   0   0%
Tee Higgins (CIN)   29   29   0   0%
Michael Pittman Jr. (IND)   29   29   0   0%
Jalen Tolbert (DAL)   27   27   0   0%
Tre Tucker (LV)   23   23   0   0%
Ray-Ray McCloud III (ATL)   29   29   0   0%
Terry McLaurin (WAS)   40   41   1   2%
Nico Collins (HOU)   32   33   1   3%
Jakobi Meyers (LV)   31   32   1   3%
Tyreek Hill (MIA)   30   31   1   3%
Christian Kirk (JAC)   27   28   1   4%
Chris Godwin (TB)   50   52   2   4%
Davante Adams (NYJ)   25   26   1   4%
Ja'Marr Chase (CIN)   48   50   2   4%
Rashee Rice (KC)   24   25   1   4%
Cooper Kupp (LAR)   23   24   1   4%
CeeDee Lamb (DAL)   45   47   2   4%
Amon-Ra St. Brown (DET)   41   43   2   5%
Zay Flowers (BAL)   41   43   2   5%
Rome Odunze (CHI)   20   21   1   5%
Xavier Worthy (KC)   19   20   1   5%
Drake London (ATL)   48   51   3   6%
Wan'Dale Robinson (NYG)   48   51   3   6%
Josh Downs (IND)   32   34   2   6%
Stefon Diggs (HOU)   47   50   3   6%
Chris Olave (NO)   31   33   2   6%
Ladd McConkey (LAC)   30   32   2   6%
Diontae Johnson (BAL)   30   32   2   6%
Courtland Sutton (DEN)   29   31   2   6%
Elijah Moore (CLE)   30   31   2   6%
Jaxon Smith-Njigba (SEA)   43   46   3   7%
Justin Jefferson (MIN)   41   44   3   7%
Michael Wilson (ARI)   27   29   2   7%
Mike Evans (TB)   26   28   2   7%
Garrett Wilson (NYJ)   51   54   4   7%
Jauan Jennings (SF)   25   27   2   7%
Deebo Samuel Sr. (SF)   24   26   2   8%
Tutu Atwell (LAR)   24   26   2   8%
Brian Thomas Jr. (JAC)   33   36   3   8%
Rashod Bateman (BAL)   22   24   2   8%
Greg Dortch (ARI)   21   23   2   9%
Tyler Boyd (TEN)   21   23   2   9%
Allen Lazard (NYJ)   30   33   3   9%
Lil'Jordan Humphrey (DEN)   19   21   2   10%
DeMario Douglas (NE)   28   31   3   10%
Malik Nabers (NYG)   46   51   5   10%
George Pickens (PIT)   35   40   4   10%
DK Metcalf (SEA)   35   39   4   10%
Romeo Doubs (GB)   26   29   3   10%
Tank Dell (HOU)   24   27   3   11%
Tyler Lockett (SEA)   31   35   4   11%
Calvin Ridley (TEN)   22   25   3   12%
Xavier Legette (CAR)   22   25   3   12%
Darius Slayton (NYG)   29   33   4   12%
Keon Coleman (BUF)   21   24   3   13%
Marvin Harrison Jr. (ARI)   26   30   4   13%
Jerry Jeudy (CLE)   26   30   4   13%
Brandon Aiyuk (SF)   25   30   4   13%
Olamide Zaccheaus (WAS)   19   22   3   14%
Darnell Mooney (ATL)   36   43   6   14%
Jaylen Waddle (MIA)   26   31   5   16%
Jayden Reed (GB)   31   37   6   16%
Dontayvion Wicks (GB)   16   21   5   24%
Amari Cooper (BUF)   29   40   11   28%

Where are the targets? Are you adding catches and catchable? If so why would you do that?

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 31, 2024, 07:49:40 PMWhere are the targets? Are you adding catches and catchable? If so why would you do that?

I can give you targets. Relating catches and catchable balls, not adding them together. I have added Targets and Drops/Target (D/T) in the table below. Still sorted by Drops/Catchable Balls(D/C) which I believe is the best measure of drops. I've given up trying to format the table.

Player REC  TGT  CATCHABLE DROPS   D/C   D/T
Rashid Shaheed (NO)   20   41   21   0   0%   0%
A.J. Brown (PHI)   21   30   21   0   0%   0%
Tre Tucker (LV)   23   38   23   0   0%   0%
Jalen Tolbert (DAL)   27   37   27   0   0%   0%
Tee Higgins (CIN)   29   45   29   0   0%   0%
Michael Pittman Jr. (IND)   29   53   29   0   0%   0%
Ray-Ray McCloud III (ATL)   29   42   29   0   0%   0%
DeVonta Smith (PHI)   31   41   31   0   0%   0%
DJ Moore (CHI)   33   51   33   0   0%   0%
Khalil Shakir (BUF)   36   38   36   0   0%   0%
Terry McLaurin (WAS)   40   57   41   1   2%   2%
Nico Collins (HOU)   32   45   33   1   3%   2%
Jakobi Meyers (LV)   31   43   32   1   3%   2%
Tyreek Hill (MIA)   30   51   31   1   3%   2%
Christian Kirk (JAC)   27   47   28   1   4%   2%
Davante Adams (NYJ)   25   42   26   1   4%   2%
Chris Godwin (TB)   50   62   52   2   4%   3%
Rashee Rice (KC)   24   29   25   1   4%   3%
Ja'Marr Chase (CIN)   48   59   50   2   4%   3%
Cooper Kupp (LAR)   23   35   24   1   4%   3%
CeeDee Lamb (DAL)   45   72   47   2   4%   3%
Amon-Ra St. Brown (DET)   41   52   43   2   5%   4%
Zay Flowers (BAL)   41   61   43   2   5%   3%
Rome Odunze (CHI)   20   37   21   1   5%   3%
Josh Downs (IND)   32   47   34   2   6%   4%
Drake London (ATL)   48   68   51   3   6%   4%
Wan'Dale Robinson (NYG)   48   72   51   3   6%   4%
Stefon Diggs (HOU)   47   64   50   3   6%   5%
Chris Olave (NO)   31   43   33   2   6%   5%
Ladd McConkey (LAC)   30   45   32   2   6%   4%
Diontae Johnson (BAL)   30   58   32   2   6%   3%
Courtland Sutton (DEN)   29   58   31   2   6%   3%
Elijah Moore (CLE)   30   41   31   2   6%   5%
Jaxon Smith-Njigba (SEA)   43   62   46   3   7%   5%
Justin Jefferson (MIN)   41   60   44   3   7%   5%
Michael Wilson (ARI)   27   39   29   2   7%   5%
Mike Evans (TB)   26   45   28   2   7%   4%
Jauan Jennings (SF)   25   36   27   2   7%   6%
Garrett Wilson (NYJ)   51   84   54   4   7%   5%
Deebo Samuel Sr. (SF)   24   39   26   2   8%   5%
Tutu Atwell (LAR)   24   36   26   2   8%   6%
Rashod Bateman (BAL)   22   35   24   2   8%   6%
Brian Thomas Jr. (JAC)   33   49   36   3   8%   6%
Greg Dortch (ARI)   21   31   23   2   9%   6%
Tyler Boyd (TEN)   21   30   23   2   9%   7%
Allen Lazard (NYJ)   30   44   33   3   9%   7%
DeMario Douglas (NE)   28   39   31   3   10%   8%
Malik Nabers (NYG)   46   73   51   5   10%   7%
George Pickens (PIT)   35   58   40   4   10%   7%
DK Metcalf (SEA)   35   61   39   4   10%   7%
Romeo Doubs (GB)   26   40   29   3   10%   8%
Tank Dell (HOU)   24   38   27   3   11%   8%
Tyler Lockett (SEA)   31   49   35   4   11%   8%
Calvin Ridley (TEN)   22   51   25   3   12%   6%
Xavier Legette (CAR)   22   35   25   3   12%   9%
Darius Slayton (NYG)   29   47   33   4   12%   9%
Keon Coleman (BUF)   21   34   24   3   13%   9%
Brandon Aiyuk (SF)   25   47   30   4   13%   9%
Marvin Harrison Jr. (ARI)   26   50   30   4   13%   8%
Jerry Jeudy (CLE)   26   50   30   4   13%   8%
Darnell Mooney (ATL)   36   59   43   6   14%   10%
Jaylen Waddle (MIA)   26   36   31   5   16%   14%
Jayden Reed (GB)   31   41   37   6   16%   15%
Amari Cooper (BUF)   29   60   40   11   28%   18%

Quote from: bamagiantfan on November 01, 2024, 11:06:56 AMI can give you targets. Relating catches and catchable balls, not adding them together. I have added Targets and Drops/Target (D/T) in the table below. Still sorted by Drops/Catchable Balls(D/C) which I believe is the best measure of drops. I've given up trying to format the table.

Player REC  TGT  CATCHABLE DROPS   D/C   D/T
Rashid Shaheed (NO)   20   41   21   0   0%   0%
A.J. Brown (PHI)   21   30   21   0   0%   0%
Tre Tucker (LV)   23   38   23   0   0%   0%
Jalen Tolbert (DAL)   27   37   27   0   0%   0%
Tee Higgins (CIN)   29   45   29   0   0%   0%
Michael Pittman Jr. (IND)   29   53   29   0   0%   0%
Ray-Ray McCloud III (ATL)   29   42   29   0   0%   0%
DeVonta Smith (PHI)   31   41   31   0   0%   0%
DJ Moore (CHI)   33   51   33   0   0%   0%
Khalil Shakir (BUF)   36   38   36   0   0%   0%
Terry McLaurin (WAS)   40   57   41   1   2%   2%
Nico Collins (HOU)   32   45   33   1   3%   2%
Jakobi Meyers (LV)   31   43   32   1   3%   2%
Tyreek Hill (MIA)   30   51   31   1   3%   2%
Christian Kirk (JAC)   27   47   28   1   4%   2%
Davante Adams (NYJ)   25   42   26   1   4%   2%
Chris Godwin (TB)   50   62   52   2   4%   3%
Rashee Rice (KC)   24   29   25   1   4%   3%
Ja'Marr Chase (CIN)   48   59   50   2   4%   3%
Cooper Kupp (LAR)   23   35   24   1   4%   3%
CeeDee Lamb (DAL)   45   72   47   2   4%   3%
Amon-Ra St. Brown (DET)   41   52   43   2   5%   4%
Zay Flowers (BAL)   41   61   43   2   5%   3%
Rome Odunze (CHI)   20   37   21   1   5%   3%
Josh Downs (IND)   32   47   34   2   6%   4%
Drake London (ATL)   48   68   51   3   6%   4%
Wan'Dale Robinson (NYG)   48   72   51   3   6%   4%
Stefon Diggs (HOU)   47   64   50   3   6%   5%
Chris Olave (NO)   31   43   33   2   6%   5%
Ladd McConkey (LAC)   30   45   32   2   6%   4%
Diontae Johnson (BAL)   30   58   32   2   6%   3%
Courtland Sutton (DEN)   29   58   31   2   6%   3%
Elijah Moore (CLE)   30   41   31   2   6%   5%
Jaxon Smith-Njigba (SEA)   43   62   46   3   7%   5%
Justin Jefferson (MIN)   41   60   44   3   7%   5%
Michael Wilson (ARI)   27   39   29   2   7%   5%
Mike Evans (TB)   26   45   28   2   7%   4%
Jauan Jennings (SF)   25   36   27   2   7%   6%
Garrett Wilson (NYJ)   51   84   54   4   7%   5%
Deebo Samuel Sr. (SF)   24   39   26   2   8%   5%
Tutu Atwell (LAR)   24   36   26   2   8%   6%
Rashod Bateman (BAL)   22   35   24   2   8%   6%
Brian Thomas Jr. (JAC)   33   49   36   3   8%   6%
Greg Dortch (ARI)   21   31   23   2   9%   6%
Tyler Boyd (TEN)   21   30   23   2   9%   7%
Allen Lazard (NYJ)   30   44   33   3   9%   7%
DeMario Douglas (NE)   28   39   31   3   10%   8%
Malik Nabers (NYG)   46   73   51   5   10%   7%
George Pickens (PIT)   35   58   40   4   10%   7%
DK Metcalf (SEA)   35   61   39   4   10%   7%
Romeo Doubs (GB)   26   40   29   3   10%   8%
Tank Dell (HOU)   24   38   27   3   11%   8%
Tyler Lockett (SEA)   31   49   35   4   11%   8%
Calvin Ridley (TEN)   22   51   25   3   12%   6%
Xavier Legette (CAR)   22   35   25   3   12%   9%
Darius Slayton (NYG)   29   47   33   4   12%   9%
Keon Coleman (BUF)   21   34   24   3   13%   9%
Brandon Aiyuk (SF)   25   47   30   4   13%   9%
Marvin Harrison Jr. (ARI)   26   50   30   4   13%   8%
Jerry Jeudy (CLE)   26   50   30   4   13%   8%
Darnell Mooney (ATL)   36   59   43   6   14%   10%
Jaylen Waddle (MIA)   26   36   31   5   16%   14%
Jayden Reed (GB)   31   41   37   6   16%   15%
Amari Cooper (BUF)   29   60   40   11   28%   18%

What's more disturbing is that about 30% of the targets to Nabors and WDR were uncatchable.

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 01, 2024, 11:32:35 AMWhat's more disturbing is that about 30% of the targets to Nabors and WDR were uncatchable.

Although there are worse. Almost 50% in some cases.

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 01, 2024, 11:32:35 AMWhat's more disturbing is that about 30% of the targets to Nabors and WDR were uncatchable.

Keep in mind that balls deliberately throw over their head out of bounds or at the feet are in that number.

I think if you look down the list, 30% is only slightly above the average. When you consider the QBs throwing to the players at the bottom of the list, it seems about right. What is interesting to me is that Jones seems to be about as accurrate on the Deeper throws (Slayton) as he is on the shorter throws (Wan'Dale.)

Player    TGT    CATCHABLE    %/Uncatchable
Khalil Shakir (BUF)    38    36    5%
Jayden Reed (GB)    41    37    10%
Rashee Rice (KC)    29    25    14%
Jaylen Waddle (MIA)    36    31    14%
Ja'Marr Chase (CIN)    59    50    15%
Chris Godwin (TB)    62    52    16%
Amon-Ra St. Brown (DET)    52    43    17%
DeMario Douglas (NE)    39    31    21%
Stefon Diggs (HOU)    64    50    22%
Chris Olave (NO)    43    33    23%
Tyler Boyd (TEN)    30    23    23%
DeVonta Smith (PHI)    41    31    24%
Elijah Moore (CLE)    41    31    24%
Jauan Jennings (SF)    36    27    25%
Allen Lazard (NYJ)    44    33    25%
Drake London (ATL)    68    51    25%
Jakobi Meyers (LV)    43    32    26%
Michael Wilson (ARI)    39    29    26%
Greg Dortch (ARI)    31    23    26%
Jaxon Smith-Njigba (SEA)    62    46    26%
Brian Thomas Jr. (JAC)    49    36    27%
Nico Collins (HOU)    45    33    27%
Justin Jefferson (MIN)    60    44    27%
Jalen Tolbert (DAL)    37    27    27%
Darnell Mooney (ATL)    59    43    27%
Romeo Doubs (GB)    40    29    28%
Josh Downs (IND)    47    34    28%
Tutu Atwell (LAR)    36    26    28%
Terry McLaurin (WAS)    57    41    28%
Xavier Legette (CAR)    35    25    29%
Tyler Lockett (SEA)    49    35    29%
Ladd McConkey (LAC)    45    32    29%
Tank Dell (HOU)    38    27    29%
Wan'Dale Robinson (NYG)    72    51    29%
Keon Coleman (BUF)    34    24    29%
Zay Flowers (BAL)    61    43    30%
Darius Slayton (NYG)    47    33    30%
A.J. Brown (PHI)    30    21    30%
Malik Nabers (NYG)    73    51    30%
Ray-Ray McCloud III (ATL)    42    29    31%
George Pickens (PIT)    58    40    31%
Cooper Kupp (LAR)    35    24    31%
Rashod Bateman (BAL)    35    24    31%
Deebo Samuel Sr. (SF)    39    26    33%
Amari Cooper (BUF)    60    40    33%
CeeDee Lamb (DAL)    72    47    35%
DJ Moore (CHI)    51    33    35%
Tee Higgins (CIN)    45    29    36%
Garrett Wilson (NYJ)    84    54    36%
DK Metcalf (SEA)    61    39    36%
Brandon Aiyuk (SF)    47    30    36%
Mike Evans (TB)    45    28    38%
Davante Adams (NYJ)    42    26    38%
Tyreek Hill (MIA)    51    31    39%
Tre Tucker (LV)    38    23    39%
Marvin Harrison Jr. (ARI)    50    30    40%
Jerry Jeudy (CLE)    50    30    40%
Christian Kirk (JAC)    47    28    40%
Rome Odunze (CHI)    37    21    43%
Diontae Johnson (BAL)    58    32    45%
Michael Pittman Jr. (IND)    53    29    45%
Courtland Sutton (DEN)    58    31    47%
Rashid Shaheed (NO)    41    21    49%
Calvin Ridley (TEN)    51    25    51%