Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: jgrangers2 on October 31, 2024, 12:57:53 PMYou can fix mechanical issues, but Jones' main issue is mental. He doesn't process quickly enough and it limits what your offense can do. You can't teach a guy to think faster.

Yet people chide Daboll for doing the impossible.

Quote from: T200 on October 31, 2024, 01:05:45 PMYet people chide Daboll for doing the impossible.

Yet they forget that Barkley took much of the heat off of Jones in that '22 season; especially the front and back ends.

I see Jones as giving his all to be a competitor, a guy who wants to put the team on his back and lead them into battle and has no regard for his body in order to help his team. I honestly believe everyone here respects him for those traits.

The reality, as many here have stated, is that he has limitations in his game that ultimately will limit the Giants' offense in terms of points, yards and inevitably turnovers at the worst possible times (NOTE: see Monday Night's game as the perfect example).

Schoen and Daboll inherited Jones and allowed a sample size of one season, albeit against a weak schedule, where Jones was able to make enough plays to win a playoff game and earn a payout. That moment in time can be looked upon as the issue, in retrospect, or a risk, at the time, with a mitigation plan in place (cut him following 2024, i.e. a two-year decision point, if he doesn't perform to expectation).

Without everyone getting their panties in a wad, with a season and a half into that contract, and the decision point merely a half season away, I believe we all have learned enough to make a pragmatic assessment of the current state quarterback situation. In addition to my descriptors of Daniel Jones above, here are others in what could be described as a cause analysis:

 - a risk for future injuries as a result of his running and offensive line's performance

 - quarterbacking limitations cap output of total Giants' offense

 - quarterbacking limitations results in defenses able to read Giants' plays

 - excellent defensive performances are wasted

 - team cannot win more than five or six games per season

Once the season ends, our expectation of Schoen is that he perform a similar cause tree of issues hampering success and use the right decision making tools to move forward with the objective of getting the Giants train back on its tracks.

Peace!

Quote from: kartanoman on October 31, 2024, 02:36:03 PMYet they forget that Barkley took much of the heat off of Jones in that '22 season; especially the front and back ends.

I see Jones as giving his all to be a competitor, a guy who wants to put the team on his back and lead them into battle and has no regard for his body in order to help his team. I honestly believe everyone here respects him for those traits.

The reality, as many here have stated, is that he has limitations in his game that ultimately will limit the Giants' offense in terms of points, yards and inevitably turnovers at the worst possible times (NOTE: see Monday Night's game as the perfect example).

Schoen and Daboll inherited Jones and allowed a sample size of one season, albeit against a weak schedule, where Jones was able to make enough plays to win a playoff game and earn a payout. That moment in time can be looked upon as the issue, in retrospect, or a risk, at the time, with a mitigation plan in place (cut him following 2024, i.e. a two-year decision point, if he doesn't perform to expectation).

Without everyone getting their panties in a wad, with a season and a half into that contract, and the decision point merely a half season away, I believe we all have learned enough to make a pragmatic assessment of the current state quarterback situation. In addition to my descriptors of Daniel Jones above, here are others in what could be described as a cause analysis:

 - a risk for future injuries as a result of his running and offensive line's performance

 - quarterbacking limitations cap output of total Giants' offense

 - quarterbacking limitations results in defenses able to read Giants' plays

 - excellent defensive performances are wasted

 - team cannot win more than five or six games per season

Once the season ends, our expectation of Schoen is that he perform a similar cause tree of issues hampering success and use the right decision making tools to move forward with the objective of getting the Giants train back on its tracks.

Peace!

Great post.

Regarding Barkley, it's not like they didn't try multiple times to sign him and they were not low-ball offers either. It just didn't work out.

Another inspiring game on all 3 facets.

Please fire this idiot after this game

The constant need for a 2 pt conversion might lead him to being canned. They are poor decision and close to Judges's ridiculous rant. Unfathomable.

The team is 0-4 in the division. Not good on the coach.

Definitely not his finest called game. As a Daboll supporter, he's losing me by the week. I'm a supporter, not an apologist.

Problem or not, he will be gone if this season continues in the same direction. 

Quote from: MrGap92 on October 29, 2024, 12:15:16 AMThey lost by one score despite good defensive play, a near 150yd rusher, a 100yd receiver, and good kicking.

Jones is awful, he is cooked, there is no more juice to squeeze out of this rotten lemon of a QB. All we have is a dry, wrinkled rind of one with no zest

I dont care if you are Don Shula, Andy Reid, Belichick, or Chuck Noll in their primes all combined, you don't win with this QB

You also do not win with Ronnie Barnes. This QB, and injuries elsewhere are the problem

A good QB and a little depth and we are a playoff team.

Add in a secondary upgrade and another OL, and maybe one more weapon and we are legitimate.

Wide open receivers every week, poor decisions, locking on, deer in headlights etc, along with injuries.

Jones and Barnes are the problem. Daboll is fine and not the issue here.

You were saying?...

Quote from: uconnjack8 on November 03, 2024, 03:51:31 PMProblem or not, he will be gone if this season continues in the same direction.

What is a different coach going to do with Jones to get him to play better?

Quote from: Trench on November 03, 2024, 03:53:26 PMYou were saying?...

He most definitely was part of the problem today. Two weeks in a row we're down by 7 and he wants to attempt a 2-point conversion knowing we suck ass at them.

This is the biggest reason I didn't want him pulling double duty as the HC and OC.

He needs to give up the play calling.

Quote from: T200 on November 03, 2024, 03:51:12 PMDefinitely not his finest called game. As a Daboll supporter, he's losing me by the week. I'm a supporter, not an apologist.

I was with you (Daboll supporter-ish) until today.
He lost me today.

The Giants will next week and all will be beautiful.

I maintain that Daboll is the problem. I have seen enough to know we have the worst coach in the division. We are not going to beat any team in the division this year unless they are resting their players in preparation for the playoffs. Daboll is a horrible coach this guy has fooled everyone. If this guy buys himself time destroying the next QB I won't stand for it. He is not a good coach or and offensive coordinator. Get him out of here ASAP.

Tim I'd also add the following as supporting the claim Daboll is over his head:

1. Inability to utilize the TE for SEVERAL weeks into the season.

2. Punt and kickoff returners continuously running towards the ball AFTER it has bounced!

3. Odd play calling

4. Not keeping a guy in the game after a big gain (Tracy)

5. 2 point conversion offense

6. Odd behavior regarding Banks discipline

7. No answer regarding Evan Neal

8. Getting away from what works (RB screens in 1st half of games) and abandoning it in 2nd half

9. Clock management

10. Inability to get jones to next level