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Quote from: Gmo11 on November 06, 2024, 08:21:44 AMI read the Steelers would have been interested in Slayton before they went to Williams but the Giants weren't really open for business on him.  Could be nonsense or could be true and given they did nothing with McKinney and Barkley I imagine it's more likely true than not.

Steelers also looked at Williams during off-season but he went to Jets.  Probably already more familiar with Williams.  Could also be a case of he is not going to trade a player just for the sake of getting something back.  2 years ago, he traded Toney for 2 picks a 3rd and a 6th, but there was an issue with him.  Last year, he traded Williams for a 2nd and a 6th.  Maybe he just doesn't see the value in adding a 6th-7th round pick?

Quote from: coggs on November 06, 2024, 10:57:38 AMSteelers also looked at Williams during off-season but he went to Jets.  Probably already more familiar with Williams.  Could also be a case of he is not going to trade a player just for the sake of getting something back.  2 years ago, he traded Toney for 2 picks a 3rd and a 6th, but there was an issue with him.  Last year, he traded Williams for a 2nd and a 6th.  Maybe he just doesn't see the value in adding a 6th-7th round pick?

Certainly possible.  But there's also value in taking a guy like that off the team.  Daboll refuses to play Hyatt so either Hyatt gets time and he flops causing the Giants to lose more games (good) or Hyatt gets some actual playing time with real passes being thrown his direction and he gains some valuable experience for the future (also good).  This of course assumes they aren't bringing him back as a FA.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on November 06, 2024, 08:42:15 AMI think the Giants would have been more open to trading Slayton if Hyatt showed anything this year at all. 

I don't think that's really relevant.  Slayton's not likely to be with the team next year and Hyatt may or may not.  It's not about competitiveness this year, it's about positioning for the future, IMO.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on November 06, 2024, 12:58:08 PMI don't think that's really relevant.  Slayton's not likely to be with the team next year and Hyatt may or may not.  It's not about competitiveness this year, it's about positioning for the future, IMO.

For fans it is.  Not sure if the HC feels that way.

Quote from: Gman329 on November 06, 2024, 09:54:11 AMHey, don't look now but Ojulari is becoming the player we hoped he'd develop into after his rookie year. He's 24.  Are we so sure we want to let him walk and keep Thibodeaux (23), who would get more in a trade and be more expensive to sign at the end of his rookie contract? 
I'd consider trading Burns, too but his play this year and his contract makes him a less valuable trade chip.

He's missed 16 games over the last two seasons. If there's one thing Giants fans hate more than talented divas, it's unavailability. I'm not too sure there's much interest in extending him.

If the Giants were interested in extending him, they should have done it last summer when his stock was pretty much rock-bottom.

Quote from: Gman329 on November 06, 2024, 09:54:11 AMHey, don't look now but Ojulari is becoming the player we hoped he'd develop into after his rookie year. He's 24.  Are we so sure we want to let him walk and keep Thibodeaux (23), who would get more in a trade and be more expensive to sign at the end of his rookie contract? 
I'd consider trading Burns, too but his play this year and his contract makes him a less valuable trade chip.

I agree on Ojulari but it seems like nobody here wants any of our drafted players resigned and just go for the cheaper option.

No way are Thibs or Burns getting traded.

Quote from: TDToomer on November 06, 2024, 08:16:25 PMI agree on Ojulari but it seems like nobody here wants any of our drafted players resigned and just go for the cheaper option.

No way are Thibs or Burns getting traded.

I think Thibs is a good, not great player, who will leveridge the Giants into overpaying him at the end of his rookie deal. He gets his sacks with speed and surprise.  Rarely have I seen him beat a block and get to the QB.

Quote from: TDToomer on November 06, 2024, 08:16:25 PMI agree on Ojulari but it seems like nobody here wants any of our drafted players resigned and just go for the cheaper option.

No way are Thibs or Burns getting traded.

Ojulari has major health-related red flags. There's also the red flag of him finally putting it together during a contract year.

If he was interested in signing an incentive heavy (based on both availability and production) deal, I'd be fine bringing him back. But I'm not interested in handing out a bunch of guaranteed money for someone who has struggled to stay on the field and remain consistently productive.

The amount of offers and compensation sets a player's market value base. We don't know how many and what was offered, but apparently it was low for players like Ojulari or they would have gone for it. They have a good shot at coming to an agreement in a reasonable contract. If they can't then they lose out on what was likely a 5-6th round pick. No big deal. 

I suspect the same for Slayton. I also suspect they had offers for Jalin Hyatt and were unwilling to let him go.

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 07, 2024, 11:38:28 AMThe amount of offers and compensation sets a player's market value base. We don't know how many and what was offered, but apparently it was low for players like Ojulari or they would have gone for it. They have a good shot at coming to an agreement in a reasonable contract. If they can't then they lose out on what was likely a 5-6th round pick. No big deal. 

I suspect the same for Slayton. I also suspect they had offers for Jalin Hyatt and were unwilling to let him go.

I think Ojulari is likely to get a lot of 1 year offers at this point.  If he finishes this season as strong as he has started it and ends up with 12 or more sacks, then I think there is a decent chance, even with the injury history and one dimensional play, that he gets better offers. 

Quote from: uconnjack8 on November 07, 2024, 12:32:15 PMI think Ojulari is likely to get a lot of 1 year offers at this point.  If he finishes this season as strong as he has started it and ends up with 12 or more sacks, then I think there is a decent chance, even with the injury history and one dimensional play, that he gets better offers. 

It depends on how confident he is in staying healthy. If he is, then I agree it's a one year deal to get a bigger payday down the road. If not, he will sign the best 3 year deal he can get. The issue for him here, is he's a rotational player behind Burns and Thibs, and although his best chances for success is with Dexter Lawrence, he needs playing time to shine. His tackling has been putrid and he's never used in Coverage. So he's a situational Edge and Rotational player. He's good to have and he won't break the bank.

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Quote from: Giant Obsession on November 07, 2024, 04:02:20 PMOnce a Giant

Stuck being a Giant

Tell that to all the good players they let go in free agency 4 years after their draft year.