Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 01:24:39 PMLet's be consistent: if you're going to dismiss Daboll's comments that counter your narrative as 'coach speak' (e.g., 'DJ is locked in'), then you should do the same when they support it. This is simply coach speak to protect his QB; DJ was nearly in tears after the game.

The play calling today was solid; it was the execution that sucked.

Fair enough and good point on coach speak.

I am still of the opinion his play calling is weak. I will offer my reasons:

1. Never stays with the hot hand (big play we usually see the player removed for a rest)

2. Plays designed where WR running short of sticks consistently

3. Clock management (as it relates to play calling)

4. Refusal to consistently target the TE room. We saw Bellinger as a rookie make plays so we know he can do it. We saw Theo make plays we know he can do it. But there is no consistency in targets in game planning

5. AWFUL and I mean AWFUL red zone play designs and moreso terrible 2 point conversion play designs and success rates

6. Doghouse for Hyatt. Terrible lack of utilization

7. Too many plays in a row consistently for Nabers. Gives chance for him to be targeted. I realize this contradicts my earlier point - but there should be a happy medium is my point

8. Lack of staying with things that work (best example is early game success rates with RB screens), not today but in most games up until today - only to be abandoned in 2nd halfs

9. Inexcusably not consistently attacking middle of the field with either the RB or TE

10. My biggest pet leave - how many times has he actually taken a shot (at the end zone) while in the red zone - compared to other NFL teams.

These are my reasons. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 01:33:32 PMPray tell, at what point his post game interview did Daboll "happily throw DJ under the bus"?  The reporters pressed him to blame DJ, and he didn't take the bait; specifically, when they pressed him multiple times if he lacked confidence in DJ throwing the ball, and he explicitly said it had nothing to do with DJ. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4JDrv4-uAQ&ab_channel=NewYorkGiants

Please tell me where he threw Jones under the bus?

https://x.com/Patricia_Traina/status/1855677761462870368


Brian Daboll Criticized by Pat McAfee, Chuck Pagano for Daniel Jones Admission
The former NFL players criticized Daboll's admission as to who messed up on T.J. Watt's strip sack/fumble recovery.

QuoteFollowing the New York Giants' 26-18 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers on Monday, which ended with the Giants' offense coming up empty thanks to two failed plays by the offense, Giants head coach Brian Daboll surprised a few people with his admission that it was quarterback Daniel Jones who didn't set the correct protection that might have nullified Steelers edge rusher T.J. Watt's strip sack and fumble recovery.

"No, it wasn't a check," Daboll told reporters after the game when asked. "We had a shift with the tight tend to get back over to Watt and didn't get the shift. We talked about it in the locker room. You know, DJ feels terrible, to be honest with you. I know he's going to own it. He came up here to say he owned it."

That admission apparently didn't sit well with Pat McAfee or former NFL head coach Chuck Pagano, McAdee's guest on The Pat McAfee Show this week.

"I don't think you need to go public with that kind of information. The kid knows it," Pagano said.

https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/news/brian-daboll-criticized-by-pat-mcafee-chuck-pagano-for-daniel-jones-admission-01jbjt4kg1x2

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 01:38:27 PMhttps://x.com/Patricia_Traina/status/1855677761462870368


Brian Daboll Criticized by Pat McAfee, Chuck Pagano for Daniel Jones Admission
The former NFL players criticized Daboll's admission as to who messed up on T.J. Watt's strip sack/fumble recovery.

None of that has to do with the question I asked you.  Please provide a quote from last week where Daboll threw DJ under the bus? 

https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/news/brian-daboll-criticized-by-pat-mcafee-chuck-pagano-for-daniel-jones-admission-01jbjt4kg1x2

You appear confused because I literally showed you an article talking about Daboll blaming Jones for the strip sack.

Bobby Skinner has an interesting theory about DJ starting


https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1855683211348832677

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 01:43:17 PMYou appear confused because I literally showed you an article talking about Daboll blaming Jones for the strip sack.

I think it's you that's confused;: you explicitly said that Daboll threw DJ under the bus LAST week.  Last week the Giants played Washington; I literally provided you the post game conference. You posted a comment from 28 Oct, which was two weeks ago. So, I'll ask you again, when did Daboll throw DJ under the bus LAST week?

Also, your quote from the Pitt is taken out-of-context; while he did acknowledge the ONE missed play, he heaped praise on DJ as well:

"Daboll also defended quarterback Daniel Jones, praising his leadership and resilience despite the tough game. He acknowledged Jones' efforts but emphasized that the team collectively needed to improve in critical moments to avoid costly mistakes�"

That doesn't sound like throwing DJ under the bus to me; it sounds like more coach speak to me.

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 01:00:11 PMLock is worse. DeVito will win games.

Will that be a good thing

Quote from: AZGiantFan on November 10, 2024, 01:54:02 PMWill that be a good thing

Good in that we should have higher draft position to get the QB Daboll wants.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 01:50:00 PMI think it's you that's confused;: you explicitly said that Daboll threw DJ under the bus LAST week.  Last week the Giants played Washington; I literally provided you the post game conference. You posted a comment from 28 Oct, which was two weeks ago. So, I'll ask you again, when did Daboll throw DJ under the bus LAST week?

Also, your quote from the Pitt is taken out-of-context; while he did acknowledge the ONE missed play, he heaped praise on DJ as well:

"Daboll also defended quarterback Daniel Jones, praising his leadership and resilience despite the tough game. He acknowledged Jones' efforts but emphasized that the team collectively needed to improve in critical moments to avoid costly mistakes�"

That doesn't sound like throwing DJ under the bus to me; it sounds like more coach speak to me.

So it was two weeks ago, not one; what difference exactly does that make?

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 01:57:00 PMGood in that we should have higher draft position to get the QB Daboll wants.

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My thought as well.  Just clarifying.

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 01:57:00 PMGood in that we should have higher draft position to get the QB Daboll wants.

The only games the Giants might be favored going forward is the Saints and Colts (MAYBE).  At best, I see two possible wins in the next 8 games.  Is 4-13 good enough to secure a QB?  I don't believe their bad enough to lose all 8.

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 01:57:00 PMGood in that we should have higher draft position to get the QB Daboll wants.

Tim
Based on what we saw in hard knocks with Daboll/Daniels...I would offer as some support they may choose to keep Daboll assuming he has the locker room and he feels strongly about a particular QB this off season

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 01:59:59 PMSo it was two weeks ago, not one; what difference exactly does that make?

If you said two weeks ago, I would have acknowledged the comment as I was aware of it.  Still, that's hardly throwing DJ under the bus; that one comment doesn't negate the overwhelming positive comments Daboll made on DJ's behalf.  To classify the Monday Night post game press conference as "throwing DJ under the bus" is intellectually dishonest, IMO.    Daboll, like 100% of all HCs, has been protective of his starting QB, say for one or two statements.  Par for the course...

I too had enough of Danny Ooops.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 02:04:17 PMIf you said two weeks ago, I would have acknowledged the comment as I was aware of it.  Still, that's hardly throwing DJ under the bus; that one comment doesn't negate the overwhelming positive comments Daboll made on DJ's behalf.  To classify the Monday Night post game press conference as "throwing DJ under the bus" is intellectually dishonest, IMO.    Daboll, like 100% of all HCs, has been protective of his starting QB, say for one or two statements.  Par for the course...

To believe the specious claims, one needs to ignore that what Daboll did was so unusual, that it inspired commentary and articles in the football pundit community, like the one I posted.  Someone listening to your claims would incorrectly believe that what Daboll did was common place, which it is not.   Once an HC throws one of his players under the bus, you were incorrect to assume any time he doesn't blame the player; it must be "coach speak," as we witnessed that Daboll is willing to publicly blame his quarterback when he believes he was wrong.