Big Blue Huddle

...after Saquon's big game last night. Saquon is on pace for a career year. John Mara, presumably, is having trouble sleeping.

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I think Barkley is a prime example of two things that can be true at the same time.


1)  If Barkley goes to the Eagles, his career could enjoy a resurgence, and he could really have a great season  (including staying healthy with the Eagles superior medical staff)

2)  If the Giants kept Barkley, he would have continued to be stunted and the Giants would continue to lose as they had under most of the 5 years Barkley was on the team

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 15, 2024, 08:01:19 AMI think Barkley is a prime example of two things that can be true at the same time.


1)  If Barkley goes to the Eagles, his career could enjoy a resurgence, and he could really have a great season  (including staying healthy with the Eagles superior medical staff)

2)  If the Giants kept Barkley, he would have continued to be stunted and the Giants would continue to lose as they had under most of the 5 years Barkley was on the team

Two players, Barkley and Mckinney, are on track to be first team All Pro. Meanwhile, the Giants need All Pro talent. To your point, they probably aren't All Pro if they stayed with the Giants. We are trapped in a vicious cycle.

I'm glad to see him doing well. I expected it. Whether it was with the Eagles or another team with the line to block for him and a QB and receivers who could open up the passing game, he needed it.

A lot of things should have been done differently. It's water over the dam.

He took over that game in the 4th quarter. It was close and the Eagles were struggling to score TDs until he broke off those runs. 

Their kicker missing 2 FGs and a PAT didn't help.

Was actually really impressed with Philly's D stepping up last night and basically shutting down one of the NFLs best offenses on a short week.

This is why you fire the GM. He should have traded Barkley when he had a chance. To have him in the same division and tormenting the Giants is borderline sabotage on the GM's part. What Schoen lacks is a vision for the Giants and that is one of the General Manager's biggest goals.

Quote from: Giantleap56 on November 15, 2024, 08:41:36 AMThis is why you fire the GM. He should have traded Barkley when he had a chance. To have him in the same division and tormenting the Giants is borderline sabotage on the GM's part. What Schoen lacks is a vision for the Giants and that is one of the General Manager's biggest goals.

What evidence do you have to support that statement?

Quote from: Giantleap56 on November 15, 2024, 08:41:36 AMThis is why you fire the GM. He should have traded Barkley when he had a chance. To have him in the same division and tormenting the Giants is borderline sabotage on the GM's part. What Schoen lacks is a vision for the Giants and that is one of the General Manager's biggest goals.

I agree that vision shouldn't be a secret because part of good leadership/management is to share that vision and get everyone in the organization to buy and work toward achieving that vision.


The closest thing to a vision Schoen has expressed is he wants "smart, thought, and dependable" players.  That's great for talent acquisition, but it's not really a team-building vision.

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on November 15, 2024, 08:07:37 AMTwo players, Barkley and Mckinney, are on track to be first team All Pro. Meanwhile, the Giants need All Pro talent. To your point, they probably aren't All Pro if they stayed with the Giants. We are trapped in a vicious cycle.

How can you possible say that about McKinney? That's like saying Dexy couldn't be an all pro on this D when he is also on his way there (and has already made an AP team, multiple PB). These are just excuses to justify continuing to let our best talent walk out the door. I suppose Love wouldn't be a Pro Bowler had he stayed as well.

Quote from: TDToomer on November 15, 2024, 09:04:07 AMHow can you possible say that about McKinney? That's like saying Dexy couldn't be an all pro on this D when he is also on his way there (and has already made an AP team, multiple PB). These are just excuses to justify continuing to let our best talent walk out the door. I suppose Love wouldn't be a Pro Bowler had he stayed as well.

I think we are all in agreement that you don't build a winning team by continually letting Pro Bowl/All-Pro talent leave season after season while getting nothing in return.  Even if you hit on drafts and free agency, you ceiling ends up being break even.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 15, 2024, 09:06:33 AMI think we are all in agreement that you don't build a winning team by continually letting Pro Bowl/All-Pro talent leave season after season while getting nothing in return.  Even if you hit on drafts and free agency, you ceiling ends up being break even.

But we are not. Just do a search of McKinney on this forum and you will see that 90% of the members couldn't wait to get rid of him for one reason or another (ATV accident, money, etc).

Quote from: TDToomer on November 15, 2024, 09:08:19 AMBut we are not. Just do a search of McKinney on this forum and you will see that 90% of the members couldn't wait to get rid of him for one reason or another (ATV accident, money, etc).

That is true.  However, I think part of the problem is that the fans go by what they see from the players in a Giants uniform.   The problem is that with a few exceptions (like Dex now that he has a really good position coach), most players don't reach their potential playing for the Giants

Quote from: TDToomer on November 15, 2024, 09:04:07 AMHow can you possible say that about McKinney? That's like saying Dexy couldn't be an all pro on this D when he is also on his way there (and has already made an AP team, multiple PB). These are just excuses to justify continuing to let our best talent walk out the door. I suppose Love wouldn't be a Pro Bowler had he stayed as well.

I take your point. To be fair, Dex is a Hall of Fame talent. McKinney was never a Pro Bowler or All Pro with the Giants. He leveled up in a big way with Green Bay. In hindsight it doesn't look good letting McKinney walk. Same with Love.

Quote from: TDToomer on November 15, 2024, 09:08:19 AMBut we are not. Just do a search of McKinney on this forum and you will see that 90% of the members couldn't wait to get rid of him for one reason or another (ATV accident, money, etc).

If there's a fault, fans will find it. 

Quote from: T200 on November 15, 2024, 08:46:55 AMWhat evidence do you have to support that statement?

There is so much evidence of a lack of vision. Schoen has depleted one area to get better another. Which basically is shooting yourself in the foot. The Giant defense has a good secondary in 2022 only to lose players to other team. Now we have a secondary that lacks ball hawking skills and they have zero interceptions 10 games in. He improved the Defensive Line and lead the league in sacks but there is no balance. Basically you have given up interceptions for sacks. There is suppose to be balance. The Giant offense sucks we all know it. Knowing that they wanted to get rid of DJ yet they gave him a contract where is the vision in that. They franchise tag Barkley let him walk right to a divisional rival when he could have dumped him for a 4-5 round pick to some other team out there. We have no superstars from his regime his best two players are still Gettleman players. Lawrence and Andrew Thomas. Believe what you want but Gettleman players got the team to the playoffs in 2022. Since then he has dismantled the secondary added his player to it. He picked poorly the two pick top picks he has had in KT and Neal or Schoen just doesn't have the vision to get the best help for his picks to achieve what he believes they are capable of.
I don't think Schoen has displayed that he is a visionary. Asides from Nabers and Tracey the other picks haven't been good. You can blame the QB for it but we will find out now if it was him or the coach. And don't give me Daboll is working with DeVito or Lock BS because that is part of Schoen's vision and this will speak volumes about our so called QB whisperer.