Big Blue Huddle

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Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on November 18, 2024, 10:27:05 AMhttps://x.com/justinpenik/status/1858504843255595171?s=46&t=AA9Ptl-VPYK0JnuHE-oAWA

And 17% of his starts.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on November 18, 2024, 10:27:05 AMhttps://x.com/justinpenik/status/1858504843255595171?s=46&t=AA9Ptl-VPYK0JnuHE-oAWA

This is why you really want to keep the HC with the drafted QB.   Shurmur clearly had a vision of how to use Daniel Jones successfully; one of the 2 other HCs and 4 other playcallers did not.

That's certainly one way to look at it. I do agree, Dabs needs to stay.

The other is that the book was easily read on Jones after his first season.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on November 18, 2024, 01:02:29 PMThat's certainly one way to look at it. I do agree, Dabs needs to stay.

The other is that the book was easily read on Jones after his first season.

Considering Jason Garrett's offense was radically different than the one Shurmur ran, there is really no evidence to suggest that "the book was easily read on Jones" after his first season.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 18, 2024, 01:04:21 PMConsidering Jason Garrett's offense was radically different than the one Shurmur ran, there is really no evidence to suggest that "the book was easily read on Jones" after his first season.

Ok, Rich. We've had six years on that issue.

Must be some other, glaring, major issue at play. Perhaps, after all is said or done, the issue was just the kid from Duke.

Maybe.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on November 18, 2024, 01:09:52 PMOk, Rich. We've had six years on that issue.

Must be some other, glaring, major issue at play. Perhaps, after all is said or done, the issue was just the kid from Duke.

Maybe.

In fairness, besides chronically bad support and coaching (even this season, none other than Bill Belichick in his podcast acknowledged DJ's protection this season still hasn't been good) there were some serious injury issues and his loss of confidence (those two issues weren't a problem DJ's rookie season).

Look, I get it; you have your beliefs, and you are not going to budge from them. I have been having to hear the same narrative (one I considered badly flawed) for the last six years.  So, I appreciate where you stand on this issue and your willingness to entertain the point I made.  I am just making my point, I don't expect everyone to agree with it or change their own views.

What I would love to see in any QB is football intelligence. like knowing how to read a defense and see if the so called 'called play' is the right one, with the opportunity to change on the fly, reposition guys when they see something.
Things like this I never saw with Jones. He seemed always to run the called play.
If anyone watched the game last night you saw what a smart QB can do when he signaled to kill the called play and changed it to what resulted in a TD.

Second thing any QB needs is the confidence that he can make any throw, not wait for guys to be open before making the throw. You have to have confidence in your arm no matter what.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 18, 2024, 01:14:08 PMIn fairness, besides chronically bad support and coaching (even this season, none other than Bill Belichick in his podcast acknowledged DJ's protection this season still hasn't been good) there were some serious injury issues and his loss of confidence (those two issues weren't a problem DJ's rookie season).

Look, I get it; you have your beliefs, and you are not going to budge from them. I have been having to hear the same narrative (one I considered badly flawed) for the last six years.  So, I appreciate where you stand on this issue and your willingness to entertain the point I made.  I am just making my point, I don't expect everyone to agree with it or change their own views.

I appreciate your points, Rich. We just view it differently.

I want the Giants to succeed as much as you do.

Quote from: LennG on November 18, 2024, 01:18:47 PMWhat I would love to see in any QB is football intelligence. like knowing how to read a defense and see if the so called 'called play' is the right one, with the opportunity to change on the fly, reposition guys when they see something.
Things like this I never saw with Jones. He seemed always to run the called play.
If anyone watched the game last night you saw what a smart QB can do when he signaled to kill the called play and changed it to what resulted in a TD.

Second thing any QB needs is the confidence that he can make any throw, not wait for guys to be open before making the throw. You have to have confidence in your arm no matter what.

Watching Burrow and Herbert last night throw swing passes to their RBs in the flat was a thing of beauty. They led the receiver upfield so they can catch it in stride instead of waiting for it to get to them before they could take off running.

Quote from: T200 on November 18, 2024, 01:38:05 PMWatching Burrow and Herbert last night throw swing passes to their RBs in the flat was a thing of beauty. They led the receiver upfield so they can catch it in stride instead of waiting for it to get to them before they could take off running.

This is very true. Funny thing is, a few years ago what you describe wouldn't even be a thought in my mind yet because of all Jones shortcomings, I'm at a point where even the easy passes are celebrated as "wow" what a nice job he did there.

It really speaks to how far we fell and how little the expectations were under Daniel Jones.