Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 18, 2024, 03:53:43 PMThey choose their QB in the 2023 off-season

Agree to disagree. 

Quote from: T200 on November 18, 2024, 03:50:14 PMQuite honestly, I wanted to see the offense with Taylor and DeVito to get an idea of where the problem was. It wasn't so much about wins and losses to me, but more of validation of what many of us thought would happen with a different QB.

Hence my frustrations with Daboll and to some extent Schoen. We saw clearly LAST YEAR that the issue was Daniel Jones purely. The evidence was how players performed with not just Jones but (2) OTHER QBs as proof. Devito clearly moved the team better and won games. And then we saw Tyrod also move the team better but he got hurt. Clear as day Jones was the issue. Now why did it take so long for the brain trust to see it?...that scares the crap out of me. Unless of course it circles back to Mara in which case I think I'm gonna go see a therapist because we are really in worse shape than I thought.

Quote from: Trench on November 18, 2024, 04:11:11 PMHence my frustrations with Daboll and to some extent Schoen. We saw clearly LAST YEAR that the issue was Daniel Jones purely. The evidence was how players performed with not just Jones but (2) OTHER QBs as proof. Devito clearly moved the team better and won games. And then we saw Tyrod also move the team better but he got hurt. Clear as day Jones was the issue. Now why did it take so long for the brain trust to see it?...that scares the crap out of me. Unless of course it circles back to Mara in which case I think I'm gonna go see a therapist because we are really in worse shape than I thought.

Remember the end of the Scooby Doo episodes?

"We'd have our Jones replacement of it wasn't for that meddling Mara."

Quote from: T200 on November 18, 2024, 04:34:41 PMRemember the end of the Scooby Doo episodes?

"We'd have our Jones replacement of it wasn't for that meddling Mara."

Scary thought

Quote from: Trench on November 18, 2024, 04:35:30 PMScary thought

Schoen is playing chess. Yes, he made some moves he'd like to have back but I feel like he's got Mara yo the point where he's ready to let Joe make the hard decisions.

Quote from: Trench on November 18, 2024, 04:11:11 PMHence my frustrations with Daboll and to some extent Schoen. We saw clearly LAST YEAR that the issue was Daniel Jones purely. The evidence was how players performed with not just Jones but (2) OTHER QBs as proof. Devito clearly moved the team better and won games. And then we saw Tyrod also move the team better but he got hurt. Clear as day Jones was the issue. Now why did it take so long for the brain trust to see it?...that scares the crap out of me. Unless of course it circles back to Mara in which case I think I'm gonna go see a therapist because we are really in worse shape than I thought.

Why should we assume that the "brain trust" has taken any length of time to "see it" having inherited Mara/ Gettleman's Eli clone, Daniel Jones in his otherwise impressive first and only winning season and subsequent big money deal followed by mere 3 wins in 16 starts the next 2 seasons to date?

It seems to me that they, Schoen/ Daboll have moved as quickly as possible under the  now Mara-concurring cost-reducing circumstances. Moreover, I suspect that the decision to now go with DeVito is also financially driven considering the cost of Lock's contracts numerous milestone and personal achievements bonus clauses.

Cheers! 

Hopefully none. If they win a single game and blow the chances of a QB, I'm done


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Good point earlier in the thread about Thomas.

When Jones got totally outplayed by other QBs on the same team last year, Thomas' absence during the stretch of games Jones played was offered up as an excuse by many here.

So now that Thomas is out for the season, that needs to be factored into the equation by those trying to keep score given Jones had him for a good chunk of his time on the field this year. Otherwise that's totally inconsistent with the narrative of last year.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 18, 2024, 06:00:30 PMGood point earlier in the thread about Thomas.

When Jones got totally outplayed by other QBs on the same team last year, Thomas' absence during the stretch of games Jones played was offered up as an excuse by many here.

So now that Thomas is out for the season, that needs to be factored into the equation by those trying to keep score given Jones had him for a good chunk of his time on the field this year. Otherwise that's totally inconsistent with the narrative of last year.

Thomas was playing well this season but he's been better in the past.

But he is now damaged goods and has a salvage title next to his name. The little we watched of him, this season, will be about the best we'll ever see again. His cumulative effect of injuries to his feet, ankles and knees are now a serious problem and that Lisfranc, even after it was repaired, will be an issue for him for the rest of his career as well as his life. Translated to mean: unless Shoen addresses the now serious Left Tackle issue the Giants have, it doesn't matter who is playing QB.

This QB situation is serious. But the LT situation could be even more serious if Thomas can't make it back on the field before training camp next year. Even if he doesn't, he'll only be at best 80% of the player he once was, and that's being generous.

To me, it's a no-brainer. They have to fix that O-Line and build quality depth before going all in on a franchise QB. I just don't see how it can work any other way. You can't assume Thomas returns to his previous self because he no longer is that player. He could certainly provide depth, but I just don't see him a full-time starter anymore.

There is a two-year draft puzzle to solve here and it won't get fixed next April. So, they have to go with the choice that stabilizes everything so a new QB can come in and compete immediately.

Peace!

Quote from: kartanoman on November 18, 2024, 06:25:54 PMThomas was playing well this season but he's been better in the past.

But he is now damaged goods and has a salvage title next to his name. The little we watched of him, this season, will be about the best we'll ever see again. His cumulative effect of injuries to his feet, ankles and knees are now a serious problem and that Lisfranc, even after it was repaired, will be an issue for him for the rest of his career as well as his life. Translated to mean: unless Shoen addresses the now serious Left Tackle issue the Giants have, it doesn't matter who is playing QB.

This QB situation is serious. But the LT situation could be even more serious if Thomas can't make it back on the field before training camp next year. Even if he doesn't, he'll only be at best 80% of the player he once was, and that's being generous.

To me, it's a no-brainer. They have to fix that O-Line and build quality depth before going all in on a franchise QB. I just don't see how it can work any other way. You can't assume Thomas returns to his previous self because he no longer is that player. He could certainly provide depth, but I just don't see him a full-time starter anymore.

There is a two-year draft puzzle to solve here and it won't get fixed next April. So, they have to go with the choice that stabilizes everything so a new QB can come in and compete immediately.

Peace!

The Commanders would disagree with this assessment. They drafted a great QB and flipped the script on their rebuilding process. The Giants on the other hand continue to surround a lousy QB with weapons and OL and yet we still suck! We need a fucking QB!!!!!!!!

Quote from: umassgrad on November 18, 2024, 06:33:19 PMThe Commanders would disagree with this assessment. They drafted a great QB and flipped the script on their rebuilding process. The Giants on the other hand continue to surround a lousy QB with weapons and OL and yet we still suck! We need a fucking QB!!!!!!!!

Don't forget the Commanders overhauled their coaching staff and had tons of cap space, which they used to sign away many key players in the mid-tier from the Cowboys (which is a significant contributor to the Cowboy's decline)