Big Blue Huddle

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From their lips...

How does taking "Dimes" off the field, and tossing a "Chicken Cutlet" in his place, buy you a whole nine (9) percentage points probability of jumping from current state draft slot five (5) to slot one (1), anyway?

Can we get the official formula extrapolation in order to calculate probability, using the "if-then" conditions above for slots two (2) through four (4)?

Does the formula extrapolation change dramatically should Lock see some snaps? Can we get an extrapolation if both QBs played 50% of every game with one alternate scenario having "Chicken Cutlet" start the game, another where Lock starts the game, and yet another where the starter is rotated every week, and yet another where a coin is flipped where "Chicken Cutlets" wins the toss and starts first, and finally the other where Lock wins the toss and he starts first in the rotation.

At this stage, call Bellvue because if we really believe the Chicken Cutlet, Egg Creme local star is worth only 9%, then I'd say f&@k it and start the Irish kicker, Jude McAtemney as the starting QB and increase the probability from 12% to a guaranteed 100% and take out all the guesswork.

Besides, how cool would a QB with a #99 jersey be anyway? Also, since he's a local product from Rutgers, Chicken Cutlet guy can help him find an agent and get his 15 minutes of Fame similar to Tommy last season. At least THAT, and pick #1, make the rest of the year a little more interesting.

By the way, do those guys ship Sabretts along with their famed condiments out this way? Haven't had a good NY frankfurter in ages!

Peace!

Quote from: kartanoman on November 18, 2024, 06:08:43 PMHow does taking "Dimes" off the field, and tossing a "Chicken Cutlet" in his place, buy you a whole nine (9) percentage points probability of jumping from current state draft slot five (5) to slot one (1), anyway?

Can we get the official formula extrapolation in order to calculate probability, using the "if-then" conditions above for slots two (2) through four (4)?

Does the formula extrapolation change dramatically should Lock see some snaps? Can we get an extrapolation if both QBs played 50% of every game with one alternate scenario having "Chicken Cutlet" start the game, another where Lock starts the game, and yet another where the starter is rotated every week, and yet another where a coin is flipped where "Chicken Cutlets" wins the toss and starts first, and finally the other where Lock wins the toss and he starts first in the rotation.

At this stage, call Bellvue because if we really believe the Chicken Cutlet, Egg Creme local star is worth only 9%, then I'd say f&@k it and start the Irish kicker, Jude McAtemney as the starting QB and increase the probability from 12% to a guaranteed 100% and take out all the guesswork.

Besides, how cool would a QB with a #99 jersey be anyway? Also, since he's a local product from Rutgers, Chicken Cutlet guy can help him find an agent and get his 15 minutes of Fame similar to Tommy last season. At least THAT, and pick #1, make the rest of the year a little more interesting.

By the way, do those guys ship Sabretts along with their famed condiments out this way? Haven't had a good NY frankfurter in ages!

Peace!

Because one did some decent things last year while in the same spot and the other just flat out stinks.

Quote from: Trench on November 18, 2024, 07:35:30 PMBecause one did some decent things last year while in the same spot and the other just flat out stinks.

Hi Trench - did you read my input before replying? My post was a cheeky reply to the whole idea that changing QBs actually INCREASES the Giants' probability for being in position to claim the #1 pick in the draft. I enjoy the passion in your posts but I think you jumped on the wrong person and the wrong comment altogether. As I've already stated in plenty of posts prior, I'm pretty settled with the thought that none of the QBs currently on the Giants' roster will be on the team next year. Tommy "Chicken Cutlets" might be the lone exception should he impress the rest of the way, but it's going to be very different next year.

Do me a favor. While you slam the door on Danny Dimes' back end, while telling him "Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya," remind Schoen that he still has to fix that big hole called the Left Offensive Tackle or nobody, not even our favorite Chicken Cutlet guy, stands a chance in hell of doing anything at the QB position.

Peace, my brother in Giant faith!

The last time a backup for the Giants played better than the starter that I can recall was 1997 and Danny Kanell.

The move was necessary but I would manage my expectations. The most likely effect will be a motivated team, knowing a new era is emerging.

Quote from: kartanoman on November 18, 2024, 07:51:06 PMHi Trench - did you read my input before replying? My post was a cheeky reply to the whole idea that changing QBs actually INCREASES the Giants' probability for being in position to claim the #1 pick in the draft. I enjoy the passion in your posts but I think you jumped on the wrong person and the wrong comment altogether. As I've already stated in plenty of posts prior, I'm pretty settled with the thought that none of the QBs currently on the Giants' roster will be on the team next year. Tommy "Chicken Cutlets" might be the lone exception should he impress the rest of the way, but it's going to be very different next year.

Do me a favor. While you slam the door on Danny Dimes' back end, while telling him "Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya," remind Schoen that he still has to fix that big hole called the Left Offensive Tackle or nobody, not even our favorite Chicken Cutlet guy, stands a chance in hell of doing anything at the QB position.

Peace, my brother in Giant faith!

My apologies, I totally misinterpreted your post.

Quote from: Trench on November 18, 2024, 07:35:30 PMBecause one did some decent things last year while in the same spot and the other just flat out stinks.

Flat out stinks alright.

Game 1 - entire team outclassed by the Vikings.
Games 2-4 this entire Board cited Jones's playing well leading his own idiot coach to state "he's been locked in".
Game 5 - 7 sacks, 10 hits, 10 hurries. Jones took a beating.
Game 6 - 20-26 with three drops and an elite
91.5 PFF score.
Game 7 - the idiot coach calls a flea flicker with less than a two feet to go. Blames Jones publicly for missing open receivers. Guess Jones is the only QB who does that.

Of course the QB is always the scapegoat when a team loses. But the porous defense isn't to blame? The special teams play isn't to blame? The coach and his play calling isn't to blame?

I guess the other 21 starters, the coaches and the officials all have nothing to do with Ws and Ls. It's all about the QB... got it.


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Quote from: todge on November 18, 2024, 11:47:48 PMFlat out stinks alright.

Game 1 - entire team outclassed by the Vikings.
Games 2-4 this entire Board cited Jones's playing well leading his own idiot coach to state "he's been locked in".
Game 5 - 7 sacks, 10 hits, 10 hurries. Jones took a beating.
Game 6 - 20-26 with three drops and an elite
91.5 PFF score.
Game 7 - the idiot coach calls a flea flicker with less than a two feet to go. Blames Jones publicly for missing open receivers. Guess Jones is the only QB who does that.

Of course the QB is always the scapegoat when a team loses. But the porous defense isn't to blame? The special teams play isn't to blame? The coach and his play calling isn't to blame?

I guess the other 21 starters, the coaches and the officials all have nothing to do with Ws and Ls. It's all about the QB... got it.


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There are other issues. Many of which can be overcome. A lousy QB cannot be overcome. And finally, mercifully, Jones is permanently replaced. I wish him well in his future endeavors not many of which will involve playing football any more.

Quote from: todge on November 18, 2024, 11:47:48 PMFlat out stinks alright.

Game 1 - entire team outclassed by the Vikings.
Games 2-4 this entire Board cited Jones's playing well leading his own idiot coach to state "he's been locked in".
Game 5 - 7 sacks, 10 hits, 10 hurries. Jones took a beating.
Game 6 - 20-26 with three drops and an elite
91.5 PFF score.
Game 7 - the idiot coach calls a flea flicker with less than a two feet to go. Blames Jones publicly for missing open receivers. Guess Jones is the only QB who does that.

Of course the QB is always the scapegoat when a team loses. But the porous defense isn't to blame? The special teams play isn't to blame? The coach and his play calling isn't to blame?

I guess the other 21 starters, the coaches and the officials all have nothing to do with Ws and Ls. It's all about the QB... got it.


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"Playing well" is a relative term.  But when grading on the Jones curve I guess those games would qualify as playing "well".  Jones is not the only QB to miss an open receiver, but name the QB that misses as often as he does?  Name the QB that when he has open receivers, airmails it as bad as Jones does. If they had even slightly below average QB play this year they are in the mix for the play-offs.

Quote from: Trench on November 18, 2024, 10:44:44 PMMy apologies, I totally misinterpreted your post.

You are fine and no problems, my friend. Please keep posting. I love your passion! Keep it up!

Peace!

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 18, 2024, 08:10:08 PMThe last time a backup for the Giants played better than the starter that I can recall was 1997 and Danny Kanell.

The move was necessary but I would manage my expectations. The most likely effect will be a motivated team, knowing a new era is emerging.

I remember Danny and he, too, had a great defense which was beginning to come into its own when John Fox first took over as defensive coordinator.

But Danny played well throughout 1997, won the division and got the start in 1998 where he bottomed out and Kent Graham came in to salvage the season at 8-8.

I suppose you could also count 1999 when Kerry Collins took over for Kent Graham when performance at the QB position took a major shot in the arm.

All of it started with the same cycle we are experiencing today with Daniel Jones; except insert Dave Brown and there you have it, history is in the process of repeating itself.

When will Mara Tech ever learn?

Peace!

Quote from: coggs on November 19, 2024, 07:40:41 AM"Playing well" is a relative term.  But when grading on the Jones curve I guess those games would qualify as well.  Jones is not the only QB to miss an open receiver, but name the QB that misses as often as he does?  Name the QB that when he has open receivers, airmails it as bad as Jones does. If they had even slightly below average QB play this year they are in the mix for the play-offs.

Not only that.

Here's the defensive rankings of the teams he faced - whilst not all on him, of course, it's hardly a murderers' row either:

Vikings 11th (offense puts up 6pts)
Commanders 17th (twice)  (18 and 22 pts)
Browns 15th (21pts)
Cowboys 26th (15 pts)
Seahawks 25th (29 pts)
Bengals 23rd (7 pts)
Eagles 1st (3 pts)
Steelers 8th  (18 pts)
Panthers 30th (17 pts)

Quote from: kartanoman on November 18, 2024, 06:08:43 PMHow does taking "Dimes" off the field, and tossing a "Chicken Cutlet" in his place, buy you a whole nine (9) percentage points probability of jumping from current state draft slot five (5) to slot one (1), anyway?

Can we get the official formula extrapolation in order to calculate probability, using the "if-then" conditions above for slots two (2) through four (4)?

Does the formula extrapolation change dramatically should Lock see some snaps? Can we get an extrapolation if both QBs played 50% of every game with one alternate scenario having "Chicken Cutlet" start the game, another where Lock starts the game, and yet another where the starter is rotated every week, and yet another where a coin is flipped where "Chicken Cutlets" wins the toss and starts first, and finally the other where Lock wins the toss and he starts first in the rotation.

At this stage, call Bellvue because if we really believe the Chicken Cutlet, Egg Creme local star is worth only 9%, then I'd say f&@k it and start the Irish kicker, Jude McAtemney as the starting QB and increase the probability from 12% to a guaranteed 100% and take out all the guesswork.

Besides, how cool would a QB with a #99 jersey be anyway? Also, since he's a local product from Rutgers, Chicken Cutlet guy can help him find an agent and get his 15 minutes of Fame similar to Tommy last season. At least THAT, and pick #1, make the rest of the year a little more interesting.

By the way, do those guys ship Sabretts along with their famed condiments out this way? Haven't had a good NY frankfurter in ages!

Peace!

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Quote from: todge on November 18, 2024, 11:47:48 PMFlat out stinks alright.

Game 1 - entire team outclassed by the Vikings.
Games 2-4 this entire Board cited Jones's playing well leading his own idiot coach to state "he's been locked in".
Game 5 - 7 sacks, 10 hits, 10 hurries. Jones took a beating.
Game 6 - 20-26 with three drops and an elite
91.5 PFF score.
Game 7 - the idiot coach calls a flea flicker with less than a two feet to go. Blames Jones publicly for missing open receivers. Guess Jones is the only QB who does that.

Of course the QB is always the scapegoat when a team loses. But the porous defense isn't to blame? The special teams play isn't to blame? The coach and his play calling isn't to blame?

I guess the other 21 starters, the coaches and the officials all have nothing to do with Ws and Ls. It's all about the QB... got it.


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This is a huge problem on this board. The lack of integrity and honesty brings the quality of discussions down.

I know I have responded to these claims from you and Rich that that is not what we're saying and have acknowledged there are other legitimate issues with the team. But the QB is the largest and most prominent issue.

Yet, here you are again, making claims that no one else has made. And we wonder why there's so much animus on the BBH.