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Quote from: Philosophers on November 21, 2024, 07:31:15 AMDont stretch in draft for a QB just because of need.  If we draft 5th and we dont like the QB options, then draft BPA.  We need more talent.  We get the QB when one is in the right position.

Agreed, but I would still want the Giants to draft the best QB available, when we pick in round 2. Maybe we draft a bust? Or a long term back up, perhaps we get lucky. 2nd round is worth the chance. Dart or Beck, Milroe...etc

It's a crapshoot but when you have neglected the position for too long you have to shoot some crap. Especially if you are on the hot seat as the Giants GM and coach most definitely are.

If they don't draft a QB in 2025, should they start shopping Dexter Lawrence to get picks for 2026?

I say that because his contract is up in 2027 and at that point he will be closing in on 30. 

He is probably my favorite Giant right now, but if they are not going to draft a QB until 2026 and not look to be competitive until 2027, why keep him? 

Quote from: katkavage on November 21, 2024, 02:40:14 PMIt's a crapshoot but when you have neglected the position for too long you have to shoot some crap. Especially if you are on the hot seat as the Giants GM and coach most definitely are.

Fair point about the neglect.  Since drafting DJ in 2019, they haven't so much as even taken a flyer on a day 3 developmental prospect

Quote from: uconnjack8 on November 21, 2024, 02:42:05 PMIf they don't draft a QB in 2025, should they start shopping Dexter Lawrence to get picks for 2026?

I say that because his contract is up in 2027 and at that point he will be closing in on 30. 

He is probably my favorite Giant right now, but if they are not going to draft a QB until 2026 and not look to be competitive until 2027, why keep him? 

Ouch. I'd just rather not even think about this.

But in all honesty you are probably on to something.

Quote from: Trench on November 21, 2024, 03:35:36 PMOuch. I'd just rather not even think about this.

But in all honesty you are probably on to something.

@uconnjack8 is.   Guys as big as Dex tend to have a limited shelf life.  After 28, you are living on borrowed time, so to speak.  They might continue to play well, but they can just as easily drop off a cliff unexpectedly.  He is currently 27

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 21, 2024, 03:02:45 PMFair point about the neglect.  Since drafting DJ in 2019, they haven't so much as even taken a flyer on a day 3 developmental prospect

Quote from: brownelvis54 on November 21, 2024, 02:19:33 PMAgreed, but I would still want the Giants to draft the best QB available, when we pick in round 2. Maybe we draft a bust? Or a long term back up, perhaps we get lucky. 2nd round is worth the chance. Dart or Beck, Milroe...etc

I love that idea if a highly productive college QB with solid traits is there.  Gambling and failing in round 2 is
are way easier to stomach then a round 1 failure.  If we get a QB in round 2 and get a stud OT, DT, DE, WR, I'd be thrilled.

Currently, we are stumbling all over the place in guessing what Schoen and Daboll will do in the Draft or otherwise. I would not expect that to change even as the 2025 Draft itself takes place. Moreover, whatever they choose to do then or later, and however successful, it will be heavily a result of chance. Still, it is certain that by then most folks here will have picked a horse to ride. However, I don't think that I will be one of them.

But I am sure that Joe Schoen will be the GM leading the team in doing the picking. I am also pretty sure that Daboll will still be the Head Guy on the field. However, with a few notable exceptions, when are coaches and GMs not in an uncomfortable owner-appeasing, job sustaining position? Not for very long for HCs, the median number of firings a year over quite a long stretch is about 8.

It's not quite as bad for GMs as they are more directly linked to the owner. Ernie Accorsi was a GM for 18 years, his last 9 with the Giants. None of his teams ever won a championship although the Giants came close in losing a Super Bowl in 2000.

Ernie was followed for the next 11 years by Jerry Reese who had great success in the first half of his tenure with his Giants winning 2 Lombardis although some might bestow more of the credit on Tom Coughlin. Sadly, Reese's pieces took on a sour taste over his last 5 seasons ending with a 3-13 debacle and his departure in 2017.

Of course, the cronyism continued with the then choice of Dave (The Bloviator) Gettleman, under the cover of a supposed search and rescue by Ernie. That's been a persistent tale since before and after the Commissioner's Mara arm-twisted George Young era.

In any event, everyone would/should know how I felt within minutes of Gettleman's appointment beginning and hopefully ending with the Daniel Jones- through no fault of his own- trap.

Cheers!